NEW YORK (AP) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was rocked by five high-level departures on Tuesday in the latest turmoil for the nation's top public health agency.

The departures were announced at a meeting of agency senior leaders. The Atlanta-based CDC has two dozen centers and offices. The heads of five of them are stepping down, and that follows three other departures in recent weeks. This means close to a third of the agency's top management is leaving or left recently.

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DavidKristofferson

There is a lot behind the scenes in this story that readers here will never know. Prior to the 1930s Germany was one of the world’s leading scientific powerhouses, possibly the best at the time. After the country was taken over by Nazi extremists, many top scientists left.

The question remains open whether the Trump administration will “make America great again” or damage one of our great remaining competitive advantages on the world stage. It is hard for me to be optimistic given the resumes of many whom Trump appointed to top jobs in his cabinet.

Dirk van Ulden

David - don't fall into the worn-out Nazi trap. There is simply no comparison. A major reset is happening but the core mission of the CDC is not changing. These folks at the top were responsible for needless mandatory, and in some cases superfluous, vaccinations, face mask and distance requirements, and shutting down our schools as well as the economy. I am glad to see that some heads are finally rolling, with golden parachutes I presume. The essential scientists will still be retained. I must remind you that Biden's cabinet was likely the least ever qualified to occupy their appointed positions. They were very good at using the auto pen, if that counts.

DavidKristofferson

Dirk, your arguments ring hollow…

From https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/25/health/measles-kennedy-vitamin-a.html

“ Health officials said the recent popularity of vitamin A use for measles could be traced back to a Fox News interview with Mr. Kennedy, in which he said he had heard of “almost miraculous and instantaneous recovery” with treatments like cod liver oil, which he said was “the safest application of vitamin A.”

In an opinion essay for The Washington Post on Tuesday afternoon, Kevin Griffis, who was until last week the communications director at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, wrote that he had resigned in part because of Mr. Kennedy’s handling of the outbreak.

“In my final weeks at the C.D.C., I watched as career infectious-disease experts were tasked with spending precious hours searching medical literature in vain for data to support Kennedy’s preferred treatments,” Mr. Griffis wrote.“

Dirk van Ulden

David - having worked for several large corporations myself, I recall being sent on wild goose chases by supervisors that did not seem very productive. I am sure this individual quit for another reason and after coddling pharmas for years will end up in the revolving door community.

DavidKristofferson

Dirk, both Ray Fowler and you acknowledged during our lunch meetings that Pete Hegspeth was **not** qualified to run DoD. I also do not believe that RFK Jr. is qualified to run HHS. Trump’s first nominee for CDC was also withdrawn.

This is not simply a question of people being sent on a few wild goose chases, nor am I comparing Trump to a Nazi. What I am saying is that we are seeing unqualified people take over critical government agencies that currently represent major American strengths. When ideological extremists took over Germany in the 30s, it is a fact that they lost many top scientists, so when I now see unqualified ideological extremists taking over HHS and DoD, it worries me. Neither you nor I know how this will play out in the long run, but there are legitimate reasons to believe that it will not end well.

DavidKristofferson

And finally, Dirk, here is the reaction from several Navy pilots regarding Hegspeth’s playing “war reporter” to his colleagues using the **unauthorized** Signal app. Even if Walz stupidly set this chat up, Hegspeth should have known better than to use it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/27/us/politics/pilots-signal-leak.html

Of course, this is from “the failing New York Times” and the standard Trump response is to disbelieve *everything* that the Times publishes.

I did see on FOX this AM that the FBI captured a big M13 gang leader. If they got the right man (no one was identified yet but a lot of congratulations were being handed out), then that is a big win for them, and that is good news.

I *don’t* oppose everything that Trump tries to do, but the general tenor of the SMDJ Conservative Cabal is that Trump can do no wrong (and Biden did nothing good). I haven’t seen any human yet who has pulled off the infallibility trick successfully, and those who try to push that narrative in these pages look like fools.

Returning to the CDC and NIH, note that scientists in general do not like working for fools. When a fool is put in charge of a major scientific organization by a businessman who has shown on multiple occasions that he does not understand science, it should surprise no one if valuable scientific staff quits (I still cringe when I remember the video of Trump visiting the CDC during the pandemic wearing his red MAGA hat and bragging about what a great scientist he could have been).

Sadly, not long after announcing the M13 bust, FOX changed the topic and brought on various people who tried to argue that Hegspeth did nothing wrong. When neither side can admit an error, it destroys their credibility and demonstrates glaringly that their main purpose is not honest reporting but propaganda to bolster their partisan position. Sources on all sides of the political spectrum engage in this practice, and, because of the inflamed passions, the problem is getting much worse instead of better.

Dirk van Ulden

David - I will not speak for Ray, but I still believe that Hegseth is unqualified. He is showing it and I also believe that Trump will have to let him go eventually. With respect to scientists having a hard time working for fools. I know and knew several scientists in geology, physics and mathematics. They worked for Lockheed and the Geological Survey. All reported having to work for politically appointed, unqualified supervisors and managers. They still got their jobs done and ignored those above them as much as they could. I myself worked for several government outcasts at Enron and always wondered how they got their jobs. As long as they did not interfere in my assigned activities, I shrugged them off. There is always job security involved, unless one has options. Overall, Trump has picked a strong cabinet with a few weak links.

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