Transgender fairness in sports

Yes, I do! Still!

Yesterday a female referee officiated the Warrior's game - Oh The Humanity!

"Very few are fighting for the girls and women's rights to fair and safe competition"

I would hope so, because the Republican leader of the NCAA said very few girls and women are actually in danger here. 0.002% is miniscule compared to 10% who are probably taking PED - a problem absolutely NOT in check.

A former Republican governor and current man in charge of the NCAA said the problem is none-existent. He said that in front of congress, basically under oath and he seemed very relaxed about the whole thing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LugaJMEOoho

(and I want again point to the "dirty old men"-theory discussing topics they have outgrown some 50 years ago - and sure for the sake of this argument let's call it just locker room talk. )

Ok, so you won't answer how many it would take for you to think this issue is important. I've asked twice now. Did you look at the sites I provided? This goes beyond NCAA, even if Baker's number is correct.

What a weird argument anyway. "Cheating is OK if it is only a few!"

Hey, Michelle... all that's missing is a string of exclamation points.

eGerd – TBot here. Sorry, but nobody buys your 0.002% assertion because the NCAA, nor their statistics, speak for the world. You’ve obviously chosen to ignore the links I’ve provided reporting how many medals have been lost by biological females due to biological males. Since late last year, I’m betting there are many more instances of this type of cheating. As such, your comparisons aren’t valid.

But don’t you think kicking biological males out of biological female locker rooms and other private areas would lessen sexual harassment of females? It’s amusing you try to justify unfairness with a misleading statistic which you keep repeating to create a false narrative/comparison. To repeat from MichKosk’s observation, “It is unfortunate that you don't think girls and women deserve fairness, safety and privacy in sports and locker rooms at all levels.”

Hi TBot -

My numbers come from the man in charge and under oath and your numbers coming from the "UN-Report" have been debunked multiple times.

The number 10 out of 510,000 NCAA student athletes was given by the Republican politician in charge in front of congress. Basically under oath did the man with all the data say, it's a non-issue. period. And the NCAA is the only organization that really counts as it includes Division I, II, and III.

The NAIA is much smaller, has far fewer student athletes and is mostly made up off private and faith-based institution. Their numbers are even smaller.

But back to the faked "UN-Report", which first of all wasn't an UN report, secondly counted the same medals double or even triple, and was about self-reporting on shewon.org with little to no data verification of correctness.

For example the report is citing WORLDWIDE numbers for all the last 24 years. It includes things like Irish Dance competitions, cancer FunRun, and even Poker. Pretty sure, not "winning at cancer FunRun" or Poker - where gender doesn't even matter - justifies the pretend-outrage.

And we know it's "pretend-outrage" about fairness - otherwise you would join me in lobbying against school athletics exploitation, PED, sexual harassment, legalized online gambling, gender-different payments, etc.

All these topics are much more unfair to real female athletes - not just the made-up ones.

eGerd – TBot here. You mean the NCAA “man” is in charge of all athletic competitions around the world – a dictator? We know this isn’t true. As such, although you rely on your one-trick pony 0.002% assertion referencing cherry-picked NCAA statistics to show fairness, it does the opposite and proves unfairness. Pretend-outrage? Tell that to the women who were cheated out of medals and awards and recognition. Faked “UN-Report”? Um, if we can find and read the report, it’s not a fake report. And why would you think gender doesn’t matter in dance competitions, FunRuns, and even Poker? Please cite studies based not on opinions, please.

But again, don’t you think kicking biological males out of biological female locker rooms and other private areas would lessen sexual harassment of females? It’s amusing you try to continue justifying unfairness with a misleading statistic which you keep repeating to create a false narrative/comparison. To again repeat from MichKosk’s observation, “It is unfortunate that you don't think girls and women deserve fairness, safety and privacy in sports and locker rooms at all levels.” BTW, how about Burlingame eschewing a full bike lane on Trousdale? Seems they realize convenience and efficiency for the masses are more important than catering to folks who only occasionally use dedicated bike lanes? Thoughts? It's still tough to lug home 10 bags of groceries or a case of bottled water on a bike.

This thread and Egerd's responses are really the gift that keeps on giving for a good laugh. (I will no longer engage with that poster as he/she has proven incapable of normal back and forth dialogue after several tries- on X I would "mute" this person.)

I guarantee though that Egerd, who wants to eliminate high school sports entirely, is in no way "lobbying" for a variety of sporting related causes now including eliminating on-line gambling. Arguing in a local paper comment section is not "lobbying". I did some actual lobbying on this issue this week with excellent results.. may be some changes in California coming due in part to the exposure resulting from my efforts!

T- thanks for fighting the good fight. You are correct on the sexual harassment issue resulting from men being allowed in women's locker rooms. Two recent local incidents:

In SF a clothing optional spa tried to institute a monthly "biological women only" night and faced protests and claims of human rights violations by trans rights activists- the most outspoken being a male convicted rapist claiming to be a woman.

In Berkeley at the YMCA a woman saw a naked man in the women's locker room. She went out to swim and came back 30 minutes later, only to find the same naked man. An elderly Asian woman who barely spoke English motioned for the man to cover up his genitals, and the man got in her face screaming to the elderly woman that she must have a sexual problem. When the first woman went to complain to the front desk, she was told by the Y that there is nothing they can do under the law.

So that is where these insane policies lead - fetishists and sex offenders sharing private space with women and girls.

T-Bot, isn't it funny how quickly your turned into a DEI warrior for equality and fairness for pretend-cheated female athletes?

How very "woke" of you :-)

eGerd – TBot here. Isn’t it funnier how you fail to respond to simple questions because your house of cards arguments have been exposed as unconvincing? And not just by me, as MichKosk and Mr. van Ulden have noted. But you do bring up a good point… Female athletes were “pretend-cheated.” By biological males cheating by pretending to be females. Now if you and folks with your same opinion “woke” to that fact…because, to repeat from MichKosk’s observation (she’s summed up the issue so well), “It is unfortunate that you don't think girls and women deserve fairness, safety and privacy in sports and locker rooms at all levels.”

Here is what's really going on. The Democrats have their favorite Virtue Signaling around Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion but as Nicole Fernandez and Danielle Gwirko-Godycki have proven in San Mateo that San Mateo Democrats couldn't care less about DEI.

Now the Republicans learned from that and created their own little DEI project. They were however smarter as they chose a "woke" topic that was already fixed, but allowed dirty old man to continue giving "locker room talk" speeches. Sweet.

The next projects the Republican will propose:

- Everyone should have color TV!

- Make oxygen free for everyone!

- Our drinking water has too much Dihydrogen Monoxide!

... and look at that, it was never really about the fairness. If it was you all would be joining me in calling out doping and creepy coaches in school sports.

How many transgender athletes played in the Final Four or the Sweet Sixteen or March Madness? My guess not even one - otherwise it would be all over the news.

But how many of these student athletes took drugs or were harassed by these or previous coaches? Presumably plenty.

This has always been a dialogue to support populism. It is a problem that never was one and now populistic and creepy politicians can claim they fixed it with laws that were never needed because the correct rules were already in place.

And how do we know it was only about populism and not good science or good policy:

- Gavin Newsom (he who also opposes bike lanes btw.) switched sides :-)