I wonder what would happen if more Republican voters were better informed and harder to fool, and all Democratic voters allowed to vote – without restrictions, suppression and obstructions imposed upon them? Perhaps a better country, for all – and more in line with the intentions of the U.S. Constitution? As I said, just a thought.
On second thought, who on flat Earth would even stoop so low and vote for a party that can only succeed by lying, cheating and preventing those who disagree from voting — and whose policies only benefit those already very well off — at the expense of those who aren’t, as well as the country at large?
So, Tafhdyd... when I was getting out of high school, you were getting out of college. The age difference then would have been significant in those days. Now... that difference has just disappeared.
Getting older now is like being a tree... every year, another ring around the trunk.
Jorg – if Republican voters were even better informed and harder to fool, these folks would never vote in another Democrat and everyone would live in a much better country. Now we need Democrats to realize the same thing. And you are correct, why would anyone stoop so low and vote for Democrats who can only succeed by lying, cheating and preventing those who disagree from voting? The choice is clear, vote for Trump and Republicans.
You ask who could vote for a Republican candidate. You wonder why some voters cannot say "no" to Donald Trump. Maybe it's more that they cannot say "yes" to Joe Biden. I wrote earlier this week about why some voters do not support your candidate. Here are those thoughts:
Joe Biden. I'm assuming none of us have the training and experience to offer a definitive opinion on Candidate Biden's cognitive abilities... and if any of us were so qualified... none of us have had the opportunity to examine him.
We can set aside Joe's past gaffes... all of us are guilty of making them on occasion. But we cannot ignore his demeanor and responses (or lack of response) to questions in public since he declared himself a candidate. And what of Joe essentially shutting down at noon? So, while calling someone "brain dead" does not really move the discussion forward, questioning Joe's cognitive abilities given his demeanor and responses is legitimate. (Nancy does it all the time to Donald.) But one reason I say it is legitimate is that intuitively... we know there is a strong, very strong argument for questioning Joe's abilities.
I have been eligible to vote in the past 12 general elections (oops... I may have just dated myself). I have voted for Democrats and Republicans during that time. But I never thought to myself that any candidate... regardless of party... would not make it to the end of a term in office. I cannot say that about Joe Biden. Please understand that I wish no ill will toward any candidate... and I'm not saying that Joe may not be with us four years from now... but I don't think he can serve in the highest office in the land with the faculties required to govern effectively for four years.
Nancy's discussion about the 25th Amendment is not designed to nudge Donald out of office. It's much more likely that it would be used against Joe.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's a thought on those thoughts...
In your view, conservatives are manipulating the voting process in a socially unjust way. Is that a fair assumption? Yet, only one state (with single party rule... and that party is liberal not conservative) has legalized vote harvesting. Then, when that single party's opponents try to harvest votes, that state's AG attacks conservatives and threatens prosecution. California, here I come!
Here's someone else, economist Thomas Sowell, with a thought, "Envy plus rhetoric equals 'social justice.'"
I have mentioned it before but since the subject came up I will mention it again. Texas Republican Gov. Abbott ordered a restriction of ONE ballot drop box per county. For Harris county that is one box for 4.7 million people. If that is not trying to make it difficult to vote, I think we have a different view of what voter suppression is.
I don't think it's really about claims re: voter suppression from any quarter.
Maybe I'm too nostalgic... when I first started voting, it was a big deal and continued to be for many years. I looked forward to going to the voting center on election day. It felt good to vote in a country with freedoms envied all over the world. Going to vote in person intensified that feeling. Based on my experience, voting on election day or delivering a ballot to the county before election day is no real bother... it's my responsibility to ensure the ballot gets to where it is supposed to go. Drop boxes were not necessary for me to meet this responsibility. And if someone, due to a variety of circumstances, just cannot physically get their ballot to the county, they can mail it.
My point is... it is not difficult to vote. Just do it.
I feel the problem is that Democrats are too worried that if many of their voters had to put some effort into voting... they would not vote. That's why they make claims that anything less than total pampering their voters is suppression. Just a few years ago, the NYT concluded that voting in person was the best way to ensure properly completed ballots were received by the county as well as a hedge against voter fraud and ballot manipulation.
We must have a different view on what voter suppression is... AG Becerra supports Democrats when they harvest votes, but threatens Republicans for harvesting. How can that not be voter suppression?
You know, once retinal scanning is perfected, Democrats will not likely win another major election.
We definitely agree on voting, it is essential. If you don't vote you have no right to complain and I definitely am not going to lose my right to complain. I think you mentioned 12 presidential elections in your column. Unfortunately I am showing my age but this one is my 14th.
As for the mail in ballot. It was a fine idea for years but now the Post Office is too unpredictable with the cut backs and restrictions. I recently sent two first class items to the same general area back east and one made it in 4 days and the other was 16.
Nothing like an immigrant new to our country tell the rest of us how our country should be. We know Jorg is not humble and is very arrogant, today's letter is just another example. I believe Jorg's mother in Scandinavia spoiled the young boy and gave him a false sense of superiority that comes out in every letter he writes. The good news for us Jorg, we don't listen to new immigrants about their opinion of the United States, the faster you learn that the less of fool you will appear to be.
Excellent letter, Jorg. Don't think xenophobes like Conway speak for the rest of us. Our country is what it is because of immigrants. He's the arrogant one.
Chris: If it gives you a tremendous personal kick to call someone who came to this country as an invited young graduate engineer more than half a century ago, a “recent immigrant”, be my guest! But, please keep my dear Mom out of it, - she worked hard for the family, especially while the country was occupied during WWII, while Gestapo was after my Dad. Btw.: What have YOU done for the country you were lucky enough to be born in?
So Jorg, no pushback on the not humble, very arrogant, and false sense of superiority charges against you? Mr. Conway was spot on. And why are you and your fellow lemming buddies, Tommy Tee and Laffy Taffy, not pushing a new hoax or nothingburger? Your efforts regarding Trump’s taxes, Russian collusion, and impeachment bit the dust. That's an idiom, Jorg. I'm assuming after fifty years you're familiar with idioms.
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So, Tafhdyd... when I was getting out of high school, you were getting out of college. The age difference then would have been significant in those days. Now... that difference has just disappeared.
Getting older now is like being a tree... every year, another ring around the trunk.
Jorg – if Republican voters were even better informed and harder to fool, these folks would never vote in another Democrat and everyone would live in a much better country. Now we need Democrats to realize the same thing. And you are correct, why would anyone stoop so low and vote for Democrats who can only succeed by lying, cheating and preventing those who disagree from voting? The choice is clear, vote for Trump and Republicans.
More thoughts...
You ask who could vote for a Republican candidate. You wonder why some voters cannot say "no" to Donald Trump. Maybe it's more that they cannot say "yes" to Joe Biden. I wrote earlier this week about why some voters do not support your candidate. Here are those thoughts:
Joe Biden. I'm assuming none of us have the training and experience to offer a definitive opinion on Candidate Biden's cognitive abilities... and if any of us were so qualified... none of us have had the opportunity to examine him.
We can set aside Joe's past gaffes... all of us are guilty of making them on occasion. But we cannot ignore his demeanor and responses (or lack of response) to questions in public since he declared himself a candidate. And what of Joe essentially shutting down at noon? So, while calling someone "brain dead" does not really move the discussion forward, questioning Joe's cognitive abilities given his demeanor and responses is legitimate. (Nancy does it all the time to Donald.) But one reason I say it is legitimate is that intuitively... we know there is a strong, very strong argument for questioning Joe's abilities.
I have been eligible to vote in the past 12 general elections (oops... I may have just dated myself). I have voted for Democrats and Republicans during that time. But I never thought to myself that any candidate... regardless of party... would not make it to the end of a term in office. I cannot say that about Joe Biden. Please understand that I wish no ill will toward any candidate... and I'm not saying that Joe may not be with us four years from now... but I don't think he can serve in the highest office in the land with the faculties required to govern effectively for four years.
Nancy's discussion about the 25th Amendment is not designed to nudge Donald out of office. It's much more likely that it would be used against Joe.
Jorg, your thoughts on Joe Biden's suitability?
Hello, Jorg
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Here's a thought on those thoughts...
In your view, conservatives are manipulating the voting process in a socially unjust way. Is that a fair assumption? Yet, only one state (with single party rule... and that party is liberal not conservative) has legalized vote harvesting. Then, when that single party's opponents try to harvest votes, that state's AG attacks conservatives and threatens prosecution. California, here I come!
Here's someone else, economist Thomas Sowell, with a thought, "Envy plus rhetoric equals 'social justice.'"
Your thoughts?
Ray: I'll just let my simple thoughts rest for now, then let the immediate future events open more R-eyes to understand my point. Or, perhaps not ...
Good morning Ray,
I have mentioned it before but since the subject came up I will mention it again. Texas Republican Gov. Abbott ordered a restriction of ONE ballot drop box per county. For Harris county that is one box for 4.7 million people. If that is not trying to make it difficult to vote, I think we have a different view of what voter suppression is.
Hey, Tafhdyd
,
I don't think it's really about claims re: voter suppression from any quarter.
Maybe I'm too nostalgic... when I first started voting, it was a big deal and continued to be for many years. I looked forward to going to the voting center on election day. It felt good to vote in a country with freedoms envied all over the world. Going to vote in person intensified that feeling. Based on my experience, voting on election day or delivering a ballot to the county before election day is no real bother... it's my responsibility to ensure the ballot gets to where it is supposed to go. Drop boxes were not necessary for me to meet this responsibility. And if someone, due to a variety of circumstances, just cannot physically get their ballot to the county, they can mail it.
My point is... it is not difficult to vote. Just do it.
I feel the problem is that Democrats are too worried that if many of their voters had to put some effort into voting... they would not vote. That's why they make claims that anything less than total pampering their voters is suppression. Just a few years ago, the NYT concluded that voting in person was the best way to ensure properly completed ballots were received by the county as well as a hedge against voter fraud and ballot manipulation.
We must have a different view on what voter suppression is... AG Becerra supports Democrats when they harvest votes, but threatens Republicans for harvesting. How can that not be voter suppression?
You know, once retinal scanning is perfected, Democrats will not likely win another major election.
The last part was just just for fun...
Ray,
We definitely agree on voting, it is essential. If you don't vote you have no right to complain and I definitely am not going to lose my right to complain. I think you mentioned 12 presidential elections in your column. Unfortunately I am showing my age but this one is my 14th.
As for the mail in ballot. It was a fine idea for years but now the Post Office is too unpredictable with the cut backs and restrictions. I recently sent two first class items to the same general area back east and one made it in 4 days and the other was 16.
Nothing like an immigrant new to our country tell the rest of us how our country should be. We know Jorg is not humble and is very arrogant, today's letter is just another example. I believe Jorg's mother in Scandinavia spoiled the young boy and gave him a false sense of superiority that comes out in every letter he writes. The good news for us Jorg, we don't listen to new immigrants about their opinion of the United States, the faster you learn that the less of fool you will appear to be.
Excellent letter, Jorg. Don't think xenophobes like Conway speak for the rest of us. Our country is what it is because of immigrants. He's the arrogant one.
Chris: If it gives you a tremendous personal kick to call someone who came to this country as an invited young graduate engineer more than half a century ago, a “recent immigrant”, be my guest! But, please keep my dear Mom out of it, - she worked hard for the family, especially while the country was occupied during WWII, while Gestapo was after my Dad. Btw.: What have YOU done for the country you were lucky enough to be born in?
So Jorg, no pushback on the not humble, very arrogant, and false sense of superiority charges against you? Mr. Conway was spot on. And why are you and your fellow lemming buddies, Tommy Tee and Laffy Taffy, not pushing a new hoax or nothingburger? Your efforts regarding Trump’s taxes, Russian collusion, and impeachment bit the dust. That's an idiom, Jorg. I'm assuming after fifty years you're familiar with idioms.
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