Editor,

Hey Ed, it seems you forgot that almost 300,000 Americans have died, while the president you so admire lied about the severity of the virus, while steps could have been taken to slow the spread (“Thank Donald Trump” letter to the editor in the Dec. 9 edition of the Daily Journal). Those needless deaths are the true legacy of Trump, but I guess that’s not the message on Fox News.

Bob Gurian

Belmont

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Ray Fowler

Hello, Rel

Fast and furious with numbers... do you remember what the experts said the total count could be for deaths? Two million. Another number... four years. That's how long it took to get a vaccine ready for another virus. So, it looks like we won't get close to the two million deaths estimate. I think that's good news.

Something about personal loss... we heard a lot about Joe Biden's personal losses in the past. Those were certainly very sad. I can relate. My mother passed away in February. But we didn't here too much about Donald Trump's personal loss. His brother died less than twelve weeks before the election. Why do you think that is?

Rel

Exactly Bob. The Trump enablers conveniently gloss over the facts. In January, Trump was informed of the coming endemic. In March, he admits to Bob Woodward that Covid is 5x stronger than the flu. In April, he called it a "hoax" and later said it would go away in a "couple of weeks". Throughout he has mocked people who adhered to wearing a mask - doing so to Biden in the debates. He has held many superspreader events. He, and nearly all those around him in the WH, have contracted the virus. Through his example and his words he has caused, either directly or indirectly, the loss of thousands of needless deaths. Yet, his cultists exalt his efforts as if human lives don't count nor matter. The mind boggles as to how much amorality they can tolerate to further their brand.

Terence Y

Hey, it’s my buddy, Rel. Another person with tunnel vision who conveniently memory holes the actions of his Democrat idols, who, through their actions, don’t seem too worried about the virus, since they’re out having meals with outside family members, unmasked and not socially distanced. It sounds like Rel’s record is also stuck in the same groove, its stylus cranking out repetitive irrational criticism. Hat tip to Mr. van Ulden for that great idiom.

Jorg

Thanks, Rel! You answered Ray's questions for me. Nothing I can add here, other than what the majority of us know: Trump blew it. Again.

Ray Fowler

Sorry, Jorg... throwing out some numbers and making claims that the president passed the buck is not an answer to the question.

Non sequitur...

Candidate Biden criticized the president's actions earlier this year and said he had a plan to deal with COVID. So, the question remains... exactly what would Joe Biden have done differently?

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Ray my friend,

I beseech you, give Jorg some grace. He can't help himself. ROTFLMAO

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Rel,

Your baseless narrative assumes people having contracted COVID-19 were stupid enough to make personal decisions about their health and wellbeing on what a politician says or does. Given these arrogance and lack of respect this opinion reveals, I don't think your opinion really matters. Need I say more? Despite what the clown show put on by the media, academics and politicians has you thinking, honest experts are quietly pleased with what our nation has achieved under the leadership of President Trump. Enjoy the coming leadership and be grateful our forefathers made it possible. It will come at he expense of Clinton, Obama and Biden haters. In numbers, roughly equal to Trump haters.

Ray Fowler

Wilfredo! You're making me laugh...

It's a fairly straightforward question. Instead of a response, it just looks like circling the wagons. John Wayne would be proud.

Wow... you're calling 'em like you see 'em. Yes, there are unfortunately haters on both sides. But you struck gold by pointing out that the system has permitted a change in leadership. Left haters were hatin' it in 2016, and right haters are hatin' it in 2020. Me? I'll soon start sporting a "Nimrata Randhawa 2024" t-shirt. It'll be fun.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Mr. Fowler,

At first blush, I too see promise in Ms. Haley.

As for Jorg, all I can proffer is what men far wiser than I have said, "The written word reveals more than the author intends".

It pleases me that I am able to return the favor of a good laugh.

Rel

Wilfred, baseless? All of the items given on Trump are on the record, particularly the quote given to Bob Woodward, his professing the pandemic a "hoax", and his ridiculing the wearing of masks. People were stupid enough to ingest bleaches and such like when Trump suggested it be looked into at the WH. Honest experts quietly pleased? You mean like Dr. Fauci who was also undercut by Trump when he didn't like the reports Dr. Fauci gave the public? Thank you for suggesting Biden's leadership be enjoyed. Anything above the current mediocrity will certainly be appreciated. Lives will likely be saved when we have a national unified voice in using safety as a first resort.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Rel,

I have a rule. I will not suffer fools and I choose not to be disagreeable with fellow patriots. Until you disabuse me, I will treat you as fellow patriot. I countered your narrative; people died because of what President Trump did or said. Show me I'm wrong, if you can. Your use of biased media caricatures of President Trump is not supportive of that assertion. In civil discourse, it's called a non sequitur. I have no interest in knowing the basis of your argumentum ad hominem attacks on the President and his supporters. Have fun, for it matters not to me. As for media claims ascribing the motives of bleach drinkers and confidence in Dr. Fauci, well, there are persuasive differing stories pertaining to both. Since neither of us posses a crystal ball, I think it better we leave that alone, too.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Rel,

The governance of our nation is rooted in federalism. That means each of our States is responsible for the health and welfare of it's citizenry. The Federal government rightfully, in my opinion, has constitutional limitations and responsibilities. I never cared for centralized control in the private sector, despite the need in most cases and I thank God there are crucial limits in place for the public sector.

Jorg

Even with a generous allowance for likely Republican voter fraud, it is hard to understand how so many could be fooled into voting for someone as incompetent, unqualified and dangerous for the security of the nation as Donald Trump!

Dirk van Ulden

Taffy et al: you seem to forget that President Trump immediately put a task force together to deal with an unknown virus, way ahead of any other country. What you also ignore that he is a man of action, albeit behind the scenes, as opposed to the idiot that you just elected, who is a little man of words but zero action. It is to President Trump's credit that the vaccine is now available and soon world-wide. He authorized an early commitment during the development that the the US would take the financial risk should the vaccine fail. This risk is normally born by the pharma business which leads to traditional delays. Of course, no matter what, Jorg's record is still stuck in the same groove, its stylus cranking out repetitive irrational criticism.

Tommy Tee

...and he has ignored the virus ever since. If he took it seriously in March, we would better off today for sure.

Tafhdyd

Tell me Dirk, what good is a task force if you don't follow the recommendations? If they say something Trump doesn't like you never hear from them again and he puts some unqualified hack in their place that will say what he wants them to say.

Dirk van Ulden

Taffy - Come on, Man, you can do better. Heading up the task force from the medical side was Emperor Faucy, a blow hard, who is now on Biden's task force. "Wear a mask, don't wear a mask and then wear it again". His other members were representatives of the pharmas, manufacturing, the drug store chains, the military and of course the VP. Even Roosevelt could not have come up with such a powerful team on such a short notice. Trump himself was giving daily briefings and was the only Head of State in the world who took personal control while the rest just followed his lead, including all of our so-called allies. Even several Democratic governors praised him and now we have few nitwits on this site that think otherwise? It shows your characters, loud and clear! All BS, aka Biden Syndrome.

Rel

Dirk, come on. Trump was the only head of state who took personal control? What is the U.S. record compared to all other countries? It has consistently shown our country having 5% of the world's population having 25% of the cases. We have lead the world in percentage of deaths relative to the population. We should be proud of this record? Trump has consistently undercut the message his own administration promoted of social distancing, wearing a mask, and avoiding crowds. Calling something black that is white won't cut it.

Tafhdyd

Dirk,

I don't have time for a long explanation. The short version will have to do.

Masks, yes no yes no, He said there was a shortage of masks for first responders, nurses etc. then later he said wear them to slow the virus. Trump held daily briefings until what the experts said was not what he wanted them to say. The governors praised him because they knew that the vindictive a&%h*$e would not help with federal aid if they didn't. BTW, it is Dr. Fauci not Faucy.

Ray Fowler

Are we back to Fauci being "banished"?

Tommy Tee

Exactly. Trump hasn't mentioned Covid in weeks, and is spending his days pardoning people and crying about the election. January 20th cannot come soon enough!

Terence Y

Another day, another blah, blah, blah, Trump bad letter. Hey Mr. Gurian, it seems you’ve conveniently forgotten about Trump shutting down travel to/from China in late January while Pelosi was throwing a hissy fit by ripping up the SOTU speech and telling people to visit SF Chinatown a month later. And Biden calling Trump's decision hysterical xenophobia and fear-mongering. Nice tunnel vision you have. BTW, why aren’t you blaming Governor Newsom for the deaths of over 20,000 people? Why aren’t these 2 million cases and 20,000 deaths the true legacy of Newsom? Oh, I forgot, your tunnel vision.

Tafhdyd

Hello Mr. Gurian,

Your letter is clear, concise and spot on. As you say about Ed’s forgetfulness, that seems to be a trait of many on the right when they sing the glory of their orange idol.

Jorg

Tafhdyd: After all we have seen from such an incompetent failure as Trump, including his latest tantrums, it is beyond me how anyone in his or her right mind can still support such an embarrassing cry baby. The answer is obvious: no one!

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg

I asked more than week ago... exactly what would Joe Biden have done differently?

Would he restrict travel? Would he set up a task force? Would he ramp up industry to increase medical supplies? Would he follow the science? Would he work with governors? Would he push for rapid development of a vaccine? Would he try to balance fighting COVID and economic concerns?

I think the answer is "yes" to all those things. But... exactly what would Joe Biden have done differently?

Rel

Hey Ray, news flash: Trump was in charge during the pandemic this year. Do you think the families of any of the 300K+ people care what Biden would have done differently, especially since it is strictly a hypothetical? The lives who perished are real, the pain and suffering are real. Unfortunately, many could have been saved if we had a leader who could actually lead rather than pass the buck or blame others. But, here is an answer you can use: 81M people said they want Biden to change the course going forward.

Jorg

Don't ask me! Ask President-elect Joe Biden. But, I would say it would be hard to do any worse than incompetent Trump did. He has no idea about anything. Then again, I don't think we should blame him, because he doesn't have what it takes to lead and make rational decisions. Blame the fools that elected him!

Terence Y

Another JUNC (Jorg’s Umpteenth Nonsense Comment) entry from Colonel Sanders’ favorite fugitive.

Ray Fowler

C'mon, Terence... play nice. Give Jorg a chance to mull over the question. Let's be fair. Jorg's opinion counts as much as anyone else's point of view. I would like to hear it.

Jorg

Oh, my goodness, TY! What an ingenious response! Came up with it all by yourself?

I'm sooo impressed by your wisdom! WOW!

Terence Y

Ray, I’ve already proven Jorg has no opinion. Jorg can only deflect when he has no guidance from his Democrat overlords. And, from the comment trails, so have you. Jorg is like a boxer who always loses. Jorg can bob and weave, but his offense packs no punch and is easily brushed off.

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