Never in my 86 years have I seen such daily malevolence. Thank you Joanne Engelhardt (letter to the editor “Wrong on all counts, Ed!” in the Sept. 15 edition of the Daily Journal) for catching all the inaccuracies of Ed Kahl’s rantings. The disrespect from Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump regarding Ruth Bader Ginsburg should be enough to remember what our parents and grandparents taught us.
Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me twice shame on me.
Let’s not be fooled again. Let’s help Biden and Harris “bring back” our great America and its soul.
Don't worry Shirley, the Republicans will replace the deceased Ruth Ginsberg with another white woman. The difference is that this white woman is a conservative, protects life, loves this country, is Catholic and is much younger. The door has shut on RBG and her time is finally over. When RBG played the fatal end game with her life time appointment, she came up short and now the Republicans are seizing on the golden opportunity that fell in their lap. We do need to thank her for that as it was only through death that RBG's claws would release the power she held.
Hmmm... a very Conway-esque response. I support moving forward with a Supreme Court appointment. I would just say it in a different way.
It's kinda cool... Shirley is channeling her inner Pete Townshend when stating she, "Won't Get Fooled Again."
Interesting. Bill Clinton said over the weekend that Republicans are using a "power play" to fill the current SC vacancy. Then, as no surprise, Joe Biden also characterized a Republican nomination as an exercise in political power.
Really.
MoveOn is sponsoring a petition for liberals to voice an opinion that challenges filling the current vacancy. They say there is a "danger" in filling the vacancy before the 2021 inauguration, but they don't describe that danger. The danger is that their agenda may be at risk. That is not a danger to the American people.
Then, MoveOn claims that making an appointment would be an "injustice." Of course, they do not describe how such an appointment would be an injustice. As a procedural matter, our country's chief executive has a Constitutional obligation to fill SC vacancies. That process is not dependent on a leftist PAC's approval. Even though there is no injustice in fulfilling this obligation, opponents of filling the vacancy are rattling their impeachment sword again.
Finally, MoveOn makes a claim that Donald Trump will continue to "demolish" the judiciary. Of course, they make no mention of the left's desire to pack the Supreme Court. Their "hypocrisy knows no bounds." The late (and great) Ruth Bader Ginsburg opposed packing the court.
Danger, injustice and demolish are their words... Words that disguise the reality that they are making a power play, and that power play may take the form of more violence and chaos in our streets.
I would like to expand on a couple if items in your comment. You correctly point out that it is the Constitution that calls for the President to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. I must have missed when the change was made to the Constitution that said President Obama could not fill a vacancy with nearly a year to go in his term but Trump must fill this vacancy with only 45 days before the election. As you know, McConnell, Graham and other leading Republicans shouted from the highest mountain tops that Obama should not nominate someone, the people should get to have a say by way of the upcoming election. Why shouldn’t the people have a say this time?
You also mentioned that in reference to the left wanting to pack the court that the late (and great) Ruth Bader Ginsburg opposed packing the court. She also said in her last days that “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” We all know there is no legal binding with her statement and we know that the current administration also has no resect for the dead. You link packing the courts and her opposition to the same with their "hypocrisy knows no bounds”, seeming to indicate that only Democrats are hypocritical.
Hello Taffy - she was great for the left and the super progressives. Those of us who believe in the Constitution were never impressed, particularly because she at one time headed up the ACLU, which also took a hard turn to the left under her reign. I honor the dead but that does not mean that all she said needs to be honored. She will be replaced with a balanced justice restoring a court that had gone off the rails in many decisions.
No, the Constitution did not say that Barack Obama could not fill a vacancy, but it does say that the Senate is empowered to fill them. The same Senate with Joe Biden sitting as Senate President, Senate President pro tem Patrick Leahy (D-VT), and Harry Reid (D-NV) acting as Senate Majority Leader which opened Pandora's box when Senator Reid, tired of the filibuster process for federal court appointees, pushed through the nuclear option, i.e. approving nominees with a simple majority vote. Senator McConnell (D-KY) warned Senate Democrats at the time that changing the Senate's rules would be unwise. Now, Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and he employs the rule change wrought by Democrats.
During the past 125+ years or so, the Senate has moved forward with the nomination process in an election year when one party controlled the White House and the Senate. In 2016, Senator McConnell declined to move forward with Barack Obama's nominee. In his view, the election year precedent was absent as a Democrat sat in the White House and Republicans held a majority in the Senate.
We could sit with a couple of adult beverages (properly distanced) and debate whether Senator McConnell's position is hypocritical. I don't believe so. Senator McConnell's position has remained unchanged. Last February, he was asked if the Senate would act on a Supreme Court nominee during this election year. He said, "Yes." The circumstance are such today that the same party (Republicans) holds both the White House and the Senate. I agree... Democrats don't like it, but Senator McConnell has been consistent.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, has been against filling a SC seat in an election year, then he was for it (2016), now he is against it. That doesn't sound too consistent to me.
The late Ruth Bader Ginsburg was great. I take issue with disparaging comments made about her. She was also one of the most liberal justices on the Supreme Court, and it is no surprise she would have liked to see a liberal candidate elected. Her fervent wish is apparently what she would have liked to see transpire politically. However, if she had been asked whether the appointment process could continue as a matter of law... how could she answer any other way but, "Yes"?
On this matter, I find that some on the left are being hypocritical especially when it comes to packing the SC. Justice Ginsburg was not hypocritical on this issue. Do you think Democrats would be acting any differently than Republicans if the roles were reversed?
I appreciate the fact that you honor the dead. Perhaps I should clarify. My comment was that the Trump administration, Donald in particular, has no respect for the dead. Before her body was cold Donald was insinuating that maybe her dying wish was made up to make the left feel good, of course just another one of his off the wall statements with no backing. I wasn't saying that what she said had to be honored.
Ray, you ask whether Dems would act differently if the roles were reversed concerning the filling of a SCOTUS. Yes, I believe Dems would, as precedent, decorum, and respect for the rule of law is far more evident than the power first R's.. Abraham Lincoln set the precedent of waiting to appoint a new justice until after the people had spoken in the oncoming election. McConnell, Graham, Grassley and others are specifically on the record in 2016 that a replacement should wait. But, now that the power grab is there, it is party first, country be damned. The Republicans may push this through this time, but as the arc of history changes as it surely will, they will rue the day their hypocrisy is exposed.
Even though I won't convince you to vote for Biden and you know I won't vote for Trump, we are talking the same language. Adult beverages at a social distance is a great idea that has been lost in the current conditions of Washington. Tip O'Neill and his Republican counterparts would throw barbs and insults at each other during the day and solve legislative issues over drinks in the bar in the evening.
Yes, McConnell hasn't changed his tune in the past year or two since he changed his tune during the Obama term. On Feb. 16, 2016 he and Chuck Grassley wrote an opinion piece for the Washington Post saying "Given that we are in the midst of the presidential election process, we believe that the American people should seize the opportunity to weigh in on whom they trust to nominate the next person for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court." They added the people should have a say rather than a lame-duck president when replacing Justice Scalia. He reaffirmed his stance on the 22nd and 23rd of February and again on March 16th after Obama nominated Mr. Garland saying "give the people a voice in filling this vacancy" by waiting until the next president takes office.
Nowhere in any of his comments nor any other of other Republican's comments was the caveat about different or same parties in control mentioned as has been bandied about the past few days in an attempt to explain away their change in tune.
In any event, have a nice evening and fix yourself a drink as I am about to do.
Yes, Tommy, - but what a job Biden has before him! As if President Obama's clean-up after the former Republican disaster wasn't hard enough! To me, cleaning up after Trump seems like an insurmountable job! Thank goodness Biden has solid support from Obama and everyone who wants to make America great again, - despite compact resistance from "the other side"!
Look everyone! We have Tommy instabili-Tee and Jorg the JUNC (Jorg’s Usual Nonsense Comment) man colluding with their support of brain-dead Biden. Here’s a question: What’s the difference between Tommy instabili-Tee, Jorg and a parrot? Wait for it… You can teach a parrot to talk nicely.
She is another example of wisdom not coming with age. What in the heck is she talking about bringing the soul back to this country? Is she saying that those of us who voted for Trump, and will again, have no soul or love for our country? Oh, I forgot, we are the deplorables. As Churchill once said, if you are still a liberal after you have reached 35 years, you have no brains. What about that, Shirley?
I guess its shame on you, Ms. Gurnett. Trump has already been Making America Great Again and he will continue to do so. Brain-dead Biden is still trying to figure out the city of Arizona.
As a NPP voter, I vote for candidates from both major parties and a couple of others from time to time. I would like to say "no" to Donald Trump, but I cannot say "yes" to Joe Biden.
You captured the essence of what was going on in 2016... the people should decide. And they did. After the Kavanaugh hearings in 2018, the people spoke and Republicans defeated Democrat incumbents in Florida, Indiana, Missouri, and North Dakota to take a clear majority in the Senate.
Sorry. I'm having trouble following your Abraham Lincoln example. (I admit I'm not the smartest guy in the room... ) Yes, Abraham Lincoln appointed a Supreme Court justice about a month after the 1862 midterm election* and a chief justice about a month after the 1864 general election. But his party controlled the Senate and the House, he picked two nominees from his party, and his appointees replaced two justices from the party that opposed him. I'm not going to criticize one of our greatest presidents, but it looked like Mr. Lincoln made his decisions along party lines... the same way Messrs. McConnell and Schumer do today.
* The 1862 nominee was a recess appointment and actually made before the election.
OK... Democrats in the Senate... decorum and respect? The Kavanaugh hearings showed us they will do anything to gain control of the SC. And it looks like they will stand with arms crossed and say nothing if violence and chaos return to our streets.
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Don't worry Shirley, the Republicans will replace the deceased Ruth Ginsberg with another white woman. The difference is that this white woman is a conservative, protects life, loves this country, is Catholic and is much younger. The door has shut on RBG and her time is finally over. When RBG played the fatal end game with her life time appointment, she came up short and now the Republicans are seizing on the golden opportunity that fell in their lap. We do need to thank her for that as it was only through death that RBG's claws would release the power she held.
With all of your fancy private school higher education you do know about karma, don't you.
Hi, Chris
Hmmm... a very Conway-esque response. I support moving forward with a Supreme Court appointment. I would just say it in a different way.
It's kinda cool... Shirley is channeling her inner Pete Townshend when stating she, "Won't Get Fooled Again."
Interesting. Bill Clinton said over the weekend that Republicans are using a "power play" to fill the current SC vacancy. Then, as no surprise, Joe Biden also characterized a Republican nomination as an exercise in political power.
Really.
MoveOn is sponsoring a petition for liberals to voice an opinion that challenges filling the current vacancy. They say there is a "danger" in filling the vacancy before the 2021 inauguration, but they don't describe that danger. The danger is that their agenda may be at risk. That is not a danger to the American people.
Then, MoveOn claims that making an appointment would be an "injustice." Of course, they do not describe how such an appointment would be an injustice. As a procedural matter, our country's chief executive has a Constitutional obligation to fill SC vacancies. That process is not dependent on a leftist PAC's approval. Even though there is no injustice in fulfilling this obligation, opponents of filling the vacancy are rattling their impeachment sword again.
Finally, MoveOn makes a claim that Donald Trump will continue to "demolish" the judiciary. Of course, they make no mention of the left's desire to pack the Supreme Court. Their "hypocrisy knows no bounds." The late (and great) Ruth Bader Ginsburg opposed packing the court.
Danger, injustice and demolish are their words... Words that disguise the reality that they are making a power play, and that power play may take the form of more violence and chaos in our streets.
Hello Ray,
I would like to expand on a couple if items in your comment. You correctly point out that it is the Constitution that calls for the President to fill a vacancy on the Supreme Court. I must have missed when the change was made to the Constitution that said President Obama could not fill a vacancy with nearly a year to go in his term but Trump must fill this vacancy with only 45 days before the election. As you know, McConnell, Graham and other leading Republicans shouted from the highest mountain tops that Obama should not nominate someone, the people should get to have a say by way of the upcoming election. Why shouldn’t the people have a say this time?
You also mentioned that in reference to the left wanting to pack the court that the late (and great) Ruth Bader Ginsburg opposed packing the court. She also said in her last days that “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” We all know there is no legal binding with her statement and we know that the current administration also has no resect for the dead. You link packing the courts and her opposition to the same with their "hypocrisy knows no bounds”, seeming to indicate that only Democrats are hypocritical.
Hello Taffy - she was great for the left and the super progressives. Those of us who believe in the Constitution were never impressed, particularly because she at one time headed up the ACLU, which also took a hard turn to the left under her reign. I honor the dead but that does not mean that all she said needs to be honored. She will be replaced with a balanced justice restoring a court that had gone off the rails in many decisions.
Hello, Tafhdyd... good to hear from you...
No, the Constitution did not say that Barack Obama could not fill a vacancy, but it does say that the Senate is empowered to fill them. The same Senate with Joe Biden sitting as Senate President, Senate President pro tem Patrick Leahy (D-VT), and Harry Reid (D-NV) acting as Senate Majority Leader which opened Pandora's box when Senator Reid, tired of the filibuster process for federal court appointees, pushed through the nuclear option, i.e. approving nominees with a simple majority vote. Senator McConnell (D-KY) warned Senate Democrats at the time that changing the Senate's rules would be unwise. Now, Mitch McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader and he employs the rule change wrought by Democrats.
During the past 125+ years or so, the Senate has moved forward with the nomination process in an election year when one party controlled the White House and the Senate. In 2016, Senator McConnell declined to move forward with Barack Obama's nominee. In his view, the election year precedent was absent as a Democrat sat in the White House and Republicans held a majority in the Senate.
We could sit with a couple of adult beverages (properly distanced) and debate whether Senator McConnell's position is hypocritical. I don't believe so. Senator McConnell's position has remained unchanged. Last February, he was asked if the Senate would act on a Supreme Court nominee during this election year. He said, "Yes." The circumstance are such today that the same party (Republicans) holds both the White House and the Senate. I agree... Democrats don't like it, but Senator McConnell has been consistent.
Joe Biden, on the other hand, has been against filling a SC seat in an election year, then he was for it (2016), now he is against it. That doesn't sound too consistent to me.
The late Ruth Bader Ginsburg was great. I take issue with disparaging comments made about her. She was also one of the most liberal justices on the Supreme Court, and it is no surprise she would have liked to see a liberal candidate elected. Her fervent wish is apparently what she would have liked to see transpire politically. However, if she had been asked whether the appointment process could continue as a matter of law... how could she answer any other way but, "Yes"?
On this matter, I find that some on the left are being hypocritical especially when it comes to packing the SC. Justice Ginsburg was not hypocritical on this issue. Do you think Democrats would be acting any differently than Republicans if the roles were reversed?
Hello Dirk,
I appreciate the fact that you honor the dead. Perhaps I should clarify. My comment was that the Trump administration, Donald in particular, has no respect for the dead. Before her body was cold Donald was insinuating that maybe her dying wish was made up to make the left feel good, of course just another one of his off the wall statements with no backing. I wasn't saying that what she said had to be honored.
Ray, you ask whether Dems would act differently if the roles were reversed concerning the filling of a SCOTUS. Yes, I believe Dems would, as precedent, decorum, and respect for the rule of law is far more evident than the power first R's.. Abraham Lincoln set the precedent of waiting to appoint a new justice until after the people had spoken in the oncoming election. McConnell, Graham, Grassley and others are specifically on the record in 2016 that a replacement should wait. But, now that the power grab is there, it is party first, country be damned. The Republicans may push this through this time, but as the arc of history changes as it surely will, they will rue the day their hypocrisy is exposed.
Hello Ray,
Even though I won't convince you to vote for Biden and you know I won't vote for Trump, we are talking the same language. Adult beverages at a social distance is a great idea that has been lost in the current conditions of Washington. Tip O'Neill and his Republican counterparts would throw barbs and insults at each other during the day and solve legislative issues over drinks in the bar in the evening.
Yes, McConnell hasn't changed his tune in the past year or two since he changed his tune during the Obama term. On Feb. 16, 2016 he and Chuck Grassley wrote an opinion piece for the Washington Post saying "Given that we are in the midst of the presidential election process, we believe that the American people should seize the opportunity to weigh in on whom they trust to nominate the next person for a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court." They added the people should have a say rather than a lame-duck president when replacing Justice Scalia. He reaffirmed his stance on the 22nd and 23rd of February and again on March 16th after Obama nominated Mr. Garland saying "give the people a voice in filling this vacancy" by waiting until the next president takes office.
Nowhere in any of his comments nor any other of other Republican's comments was the caveat about different or same parties in control mentioned as has been bandied about the past few days in an attempt to explain away their change in tune.
In any event, have a nice evening and fix yourself a drink as I am about to do.
Today habitual lying is as contagious as COVID 19.
Today habitual lying is as contagious as COVID 19.
Yeah, - you can say that again ...
Spot on, Shirley. The hypocrisy is amazing. Trump's boot-licking enablers are despicable. When Biden wins, the swamp will finally be drained.
Yes, Tommy, - but what a job Biden has before him! As if President Obama's clean-up after the former Republican disaster wasn't hard enough! To me, cleaning up after Trump seems like an insurmountable job! Thank goodness Biden has solid support from Obama and everyone who wants to make America great again, - despite compact resistance from "the other side"!
Look everyone! We have Tommy instabili-Tee and Jorg the JUNC (Jorg’s Usual Nonsense Comment) man colluding with their support of brain-dead Biden. Here’s a question: What’s the difference between Tommy instabili-Tee, Jorg and a parrot? Wait for it… You can teach a parrot to talk nicely.
She is another example of wisdom not coming with age. What in the heck is she talking about bringing the soul back to this country? Is she saying that those of us who voted for Trump, and will again, have no soul or love for our country? Oh, I forgot, we are the deplorables. As Churchill once said, if you are still a liberal after you have reached 35 years, you have no brains. What about that, Shirley?
I guess its shame on you, Ms. Gurnett. Trump has already been Making America Great Again and he will continue to do so. Brain-dead Biden is still trying to figure out the city of Arizona.
Tafhdyd
As a NPP voter, I vote for candidates from both major parties and a couple of others from time to time. I would like to say "no" to Donald Trump, but I cannot say "yes" to Joe Biden.
You captured the essence of what was going on in 2016... the people should decide. And they did. After the Kavanaugh hearings in 2018, the people spoke and Republicans defeated Democrat incumbents in Florida, Indiana, Missouri, and North Dakota to take a clear majority in the Senate.
Shaken not stirred...
Good enough, we will see who speaks November 3rd.
Mine is neat...
Hi, Rel
Sorry. I'm having trouble following your Abraham Lincoln example. (I admit I'm not the smartest guy in the room... ) Yes, Abraham Lincoln appointed a Supreme Court justice about a month after the 1862 midterm election* and a chief justice about a month after the 1864 general election. But his party controlled the Senate and the House, he picked two nominees from his party, and his appointees replaced two justices from the party that opposed him. I'm not going to criticize one of our greatest presidents, but it looked like Mr. Lincoln made his decisions along party lines... the same way Messrs. McConnell and Schumer do today.
* The 1862 nominee was a recess appointment and actually made before the election.
OK... Democrats in the Senate... decorum and respect? The Kavanaugh hearings showed us they will do anything to gain control of the SC. And it looks like they will stand with arms crossed and say nothing if violence and chaos return to our streets.
Today habitual lying is as contagious as COVID 19.
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