I was loathe to submit a rebuttal to Matt Grocott’s rebuttal to my rebuttal. However, he incited me to write with his abhorrent assertion about the Capitol riot: “To my knowledge, no one in Congress or on their staff were (sic) ‘brutalized’.” The Cambridge dictionary defines “brutalize” as “to treat someone in a cruel and violent way.” An aide to Sen. McConnell reported during the siege that “the situation was dire; if backup did not arrive soon, people could die.” U.S. Rep. Speier posted that “The terrorists were pounding on the doors trying to get into the chamber and then I heard one shot.” And, referring to staff members who were working offsite, U.S. Rep. Gerald Connelly adds: “… the people I think who were struggling the most are the people who physically were not here.” The cruelty and violence of the Trump flag-waving insurrectionists was manifest both inside and outside the Capitol walls.
I'm an educated man but I'm afraid I just cannot sort out what's going on in your exchange re: Democrat and Republican members in Congress that goes back nearly 60 years..
We have to get beyond the Republican party ended slavery and Democrats started the KKK. Democrats regained control of the South as Reconstruction ended and that brought more suppression of blacks... true. But the Democrat party split in 1860 because Northern Democrats generally opposed slavery (let's leave Free Soilers out of the mix for now).
So, moving out of the 1800s, perhaps the FDR administration is a good place to start. In my view, the New Deal wasn't intended to help blacks. They did get some benefits but New Deal programs were rife with discriminatory practices. I guess which way Democrats go in the next 30 years is at the heart of your disagreement?
Mid 1960s... the landmark civil rights and voting rights acts. Republicans had a higher percentage of reps and senators voting in favor of civil rights. They didn't switch parties after those votes. However, old South Dems were replaced by Republican office holders over time. Tafhdyd wins, right?
Well, not so fast... the same Dems who did not vote for civil rights legislation did ultimately support Great Society programs. How did that work out? Not as intended... those Dems IMO were just buying votes. The programs achieved some success but 20 trillion dollars and fifty years later... not so much. Look at the effect of Dem funded programs on our largest cities. The top ten list of cities with the highest homicide rate? All Dem cities.... Horrible schools. Unemployment. Gangs. So, Terence wins, right? Well, not exactly...
Hi Ray, I’ll need to let Taffy attempt to explain his Republican to Democrat party switcheroo nonsense since he seems to be the only one who holds that position. For me, it’s all about credibility, and Taffy doesn’t have any as long as he spews his party switcheroo nonsense. Thanks for your background on Democrat rule. We see, firsthand, its effect on California.
As for your statement, “We have to get beyond the Republican party ended slavery and Democrats started the KKK.” I’d heartily disagree. I would just repeat George Santayana, who said, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
A month later and we have another blah, blah, blah, Trump bad letter that fails to call out the idiot Antifa goons who caused the Capitol riot. Guess what, Mr. Aydelott, if Trump supporters actually wanted an insurrection, half a million patriots could have done a lot more damage. So if anything, we can all thank Trump and patriots for keeping the peace.
Mike, when people in America know that the an election was stolen and nobody in the legislature or judiciary seem to care, you can expect what happened on January 6th to happen again. Go ahead and dismiss the credible reports of crimes committed in the counting of ballots, when that happens in our country and our government no longer works for we people, the founding fathers agreed that said government should no longer govern over the people of this country. It has gotten to that point.
PH/CC--The only "people in America" you're speaking of are Trump supporters. Despite multiple lawsuits being thrown out, they still don't believe in the democratic system. Talk is cheap, and zero legitimate evidence has been unearthed. p.s. You Tubes, Lou Dobbs, Roger Stone, and Rudy Giuliani don't count.
Same reply I give your brother Terence. Constant drivel about stolen election, massive fraud etc. and no legitimate proof. Show us the facts other than what OAN and Newsmax reports that are disproven rumors. Your credible reports are only credible in your imaginary world.
Taffy, thanks for the shout out. As I’ve said in the past, all you need is a simple search. And this is most important, don’t bother with fake news links and then you’ll easily find the sources you’re looking for. BTW, we’re still waiting for credible evidence of the Republican to Democrat party switcheroo hoax you keep trying to push. Maybe that evidence is only available in your imaginary world.
Taffy, I did do a search on legitimate news sites and they confirmed my facts, yet again. As as usual, I couldn’t find anything to corroborate your fake news lies or your party switcheroo nonsense. Please try again. Eventually you'll get it right.
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Terence and Tafhdyd...
I'm an educated man but I'm afraid I just cannot sort out what's going on in your exchange re: Democrat and Republican members in Congress that goes back nearly 60 years..
We have to get beyond the Republican party ended slavery and Democrats started the KKK. Democrats regained control of the South as Reconstruction ended and that brought more suppression of blacks... true. But the Democrat party split in 1860 because Northern Democrats generally opposed slavery (let's leave Free Soilers out of the mix for now).
So, moving out of the 1800s, perhaps the FDR administration is a good place to start. In my view, the New Deal wasn't intended to help blacks. They did get some benefits but New Deal programs were rife with discriminatory practices. I guess which way Democrats go in the next 30 years is at the heart of your disagreement?
Mid 1960s... the landmark civil rights and voting rights acts. Republicans had a higher percentage of reps and senators voting in favor of civil rights. They didn't switch parties after those votes. However, old South Dems were replaced by Republican office holders over time. Tafhdyd wins, right?
Well, not so fast... the same Dems who did not vote for civil rights legislation did ultimately support Great Society programs. How did that work out? Not as intended... those Dems IMO were just buying votes. The programs achieved some success but 20 trillion dollars and fifty years later... not so much. Look at the effect of Dem funded programs on our largest cities. The top ten list of cities with the highest homicide rate? All Dem cities.... Horrible schools. Unemployment. Gangs. So, Terence wins, right? Well, not exactly...
What gives?
Ray,
A reasonable summation but not completely what I would say. No time at the present but I will try to give you a bit more in the future.
Hi Ray, I’ll need to let Taffy attempt to explain his Republican to Democrat party switcheroo nonsense since he seems to be the only one who holds that position. For me, it’s all about credibility, and Taffy doesn’t have any as long as he spews his party switcheroo nonsense. Thanks for your background on Democrat rule. We see, firsthand, its effect on California.
As for your statement, “We have to get beyond the Republican party ended slavery and Democrats started the KKK.” I’d heartily disagree. I would just repeat George Santayana, who said, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.”
A month later and we have another blah, blah, blah, Trump bad letter that fails to call out the idiot Antifa goons who caused the Capitol riot. Guess what, Mr. Aydelott, if Trump supporters actually wanted an insurrection, half a million patriots could have done a lot more damage. So if anything, we can all thank Trump and patriots for keeping the peace.
Mike, when people in America know that the an election was stolen and nobody in the legislature or judiciary seem to care, you can expect what happened on January 6th to happen again. Go ahead and dismiss the credible reports of crimes committed in the counting of ballots, when that happens in our country and our government no longer works for we people, the founding fathers agreed that said government should no longer govern over the people of this country. It has gotten to that point.
PH/CC--The only "people in America" you're speaking of are Trump supporters. Despite multiple lawsuits being thrown out, they still don't believe in the democratic system. Talk is cheap, and zero legitimate evidence has been unearthed. p.s. You Tubes, Lou Dobbs, Roger Stone, and Rudy Giuliani don't count.
Same reply I give your brother Terence. Constant drivel about stolen election, massive fraud etc. and no legitimate proof. Show us the facts other than what OAN and Newsmax reports that are disproven rumors. Your credible reports are only credible in your imaginary world.
Taffy, thanks for the shout out. As I’ve said in the past, all you need is a simple search. And this is most important, don’t bother with fake news links and then you’ll easily find the sources you’re looking for. BTW, we’re still waiting for credible evidence of the Republican to Democrat party switcheroo hoax you keep trying to push. Maybe that evidence is only available in your imaginary world.
Terence,
All you need is a simple search on legitimate news sites, not OAN etc.
Taffy, I did do a search on legitimate news sites and they confirmed my facts, yet again. As as usual, I couldn’t find anything to corroborate your fake news lies or your party switcheroo nonsense. Please try again. Eventually you'll get it right.
Sorry Terence,
I guess the simple searches are not simple enough for you.
I can name that tune in four notes.
Yes, indeed--and anyone who condones such behavior is anti-American.
If Joe Biden is considered "American", consider me anti-American.
Duly noted.
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