Editor,

In his column, “United in the face of terror” in the Sept. 21 edition of the Daily Journal, Jonathan Madison writes “the uncoordinated withdrawal of our troops Afghanistan is nothing short of an international embarrassment.” The only thing embarrassing is your comment. As a Vietnam military veteran, I know about serving in a needless war. As one who has had two nephews serve in Afghanistan, one of which had fellow soldiers die around him and recently commuted suicide because of it, I know about needless loss. Biden stuck to his principles and ended a war that was over when Osama bin Laden was killed 10 years ago.

You, as a fiscal conservative, and one who served in the House Committee on Financial Services, should be happy we are no longer dumping money best spent here at home. You, as a humanitarian, should be happy we are no longer risking lives in a country unwilling to sacrifice their own. You talk of unity, 76% of the country believe in ending this war and bringing our troops home which is as close to unity gets in our country.

As to Biden’s accomplishment, his administration rescued over 110,000 people with a minimal loss of lives while still working to bring back others who wish to leave. I am wondering how you, who likely has not served in the military, would have improved on this record.

Rel Kempf

San Mateo

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edkahl

It wasn’t about whether to not to withdraw troops in Afghanistan but how to. Biden screwed up the how to do it. Trump had already drawn troops down to 2,500 and there had been no US deaths in the past 18 months. If Bidden had listened to his intelligence and military advisors he could have proceeded with Trump’s withdrawal plans and avoid a disaster and unnecessary deaths of US citizens as soldiers.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Mr. Kahl,

I would bet politicos would rather spend time in purgatory than give the opposition a victory. Children as casualties of drone attacks, sanctioning the Taliban as a legitimate government and importing people of color as neo-slaves, no problem for them. All in the name of the greater good; don't you know. Congratulations Rel, you got what you voted for.

Tafhdyd

Mr. Kahl,

I guess I need to remind you that the reason Donald withdrew the 2500 troops was for his usual petty childishness. The petulant child did that as a strategic political move. He reduced the number of troops for two reasons. The first was to pad his ego and say he was getting getting of the war and the second was to box in Biden by reducing the ability to safely withdraw from Afghanistan without sending more troops back in which would make Biden look bad. Just as Trump got vaccinated in the back room without telling anyone and didn't encourage his base to get vaccinated because it would help Biden in the battle against the virus. Trump's only concern is for himself and he cares nothing about America. BTW, Trump recently did ask his base to get vaccinated because someone pulled him aside and showed him that almost all of the COVID deaths were from his unvaccinated followers.

Ray Fowler

Tafhdyd

Sorry this post is so late. I spent most of the day down on the Farm watching Stanford play catch-up in its game against UCLA. The Bruins prevailed 35-24.

For the left side of the aisle, it always comes back to Trump...

While liberals are busy criticizing Trump's motivations for an Afghanistan withdrawal, Joe's withdrawal plan has inspired the Taliban to hunt down abandoned Afghans who worked with the US. While liberals fantasize about what they believe was an effort by Trump to "box in Biden" with respect to the Afghanistan withdrawal, they are looking past Biden;s border fiasco. I would ask you one question... how many thousands of foreign nationals who have been neither vaccinated nor vetted have crossed our border in the past two weeks, and where are they now? it's an unfair question... It's unfair because nobody in the WH knows. Our president, charged with protecting our sovereignty, does not know how many migrants have entered the country illegally as a result of his border policy.

Now, a fair question... do you think a good portion of the untold number of undocumented persons crossing the border this year waited until January 20 to stroll into the US?

Tafhdydicus... you and I agree on some things and disagree on others. Let's take a look at recent developments connected to the past two presidential elections. As a reminder, I accepted Biden's victory just a few days after the 2020 election. In fact, I did so before major news networks declared Biden the winner. Now, some right leaning DJ readers believe the 2020 election was stolen from Trump. I do not. However, I did comment on the DNC and MSM quashing the story about Hunter's laptop just weeks before election. Then, I suggested we should wait for a full investigation into Hunter's laptop and foreign business dealings. I don't think we can wait any longer. Information on the laptop suggested Hunter was getting rich just for being Joe's son. Set aside the Ukraine and China... now we know Hunter wanted a $2M retainer to help Libya get financial assets freed up that the Obama administration had frozen. That's a development that has occurred over the past week. The Biden family business appears to be selling access to Joe. So, in October 2020, the DNC, the MSM and the US intel community worked together to defeat Donald Trump. Yes, that's the DNC's job, but the MSM and high tech burying a story that would cost Joe votes is a conscious effort to deceive voters. The intel community saying the laptop story was "Russian misinformation" was more deception aimed at protecting Joe.

I did say presidential elections... plural. The Russian collusion farce that followed the 2016 election was actually misinformation planted by the DNC. Just this past week, a Clinton campaign official is looking at being indicted for lying to the feds about the Trump campaign's connection with the Russians... a connection that did not exist.

So, we can continue to agree that the last election was not stolen, but can we also agree that the DNC, MSM, high tech and the intel community purposefully deceived voters in the last election cycle?

Tafhdyd

Ray,

Good morning. I saw your comment late last night but was too tired to reply. I was disappointed with the ball game, I always like to see USC and UCLA lose, just like my dislike of the Dodgers and Rams.

On to your comments. We have beat that horse so many times he is not only dead, he is in a half dozen pieces. Yes there is shady dealings involving Hunter, we have agreed to that before. Yes, they probably are selling influence for profit, isn’t that capitalism at it’s base? Supply and demand. You mentioned the left is always about Trump. Yes, when you get rid of him I, and the left, will quit bringing him up. Almost two thirds of the Republicans believe the election was rigged and 53% still think he won and believe his daily lies about it being stollen.

Here is my question. How much of Hunter’s “profit“ from his dealings came out of US taxpayers pockets vs how much of Trump’s family dealings were paid for by tax dollars. Here is one to refresh your memory. Don Jr’s hunting trip in Mongolia cost about 73K during which he killed an endangered argali long horned sheep and got a permit to do so after the fact, one of only three permits issued. Here is a little clip from the internet.

His adventure was supported by government resources from both the U.S. and Mongolia, which each sent security services to accompany the president’s eldest son and grandson on the multiday trip. It also thrust Trump Jr. directly into the controversial world of Mongolian trophy hunting — a polarizing practice in a country that views the big-horned rams as a national treasure. The right to kill an argali is controlled by an opaque permitting system that experts say is mostly based on money, connections and politics. “What are the chances the Mongolian government would’ve done any of that to someone who wasn’t the son of the United States’ president?” asked Kathleen Clark, a professor specializing in legal ethics at Washington University in St. Louis School of Law. She said that though Trump Jr. is not a government employee, he’s nonetheless politically influential, incentivizing foreign officials such as the Mongolian leader to treat him favorably out of a “desire on the part of a foreign government to curry favor with the president’s family.”

Can you tell me the difference between the Biden family selling access and the Trump family selling access? To me it looks like the source of the money is the difference. The Trump grifters take it from taxpayers and the Biden grifters take it from private sources. When I hear the outrage about Trump from the right, I will worry about Biden.

If you want to reply you can but there is no need for it to be lengthy, you know you won't change my mind.[smile]

Ray Fowler

Hey, buddy…

Here’s the sports headline: Giants win division; Dodgers win the series.

For a long time I believed we should wait for some definitive proof re: Hunter, but I agree with you when you say there are “shady dealings involving Hunter.” Your comment that the Bidens “probably are selling influence for profit, isn’t that capitalism at it’s [sic] base? Supply and demand.” Ouch! Just recently, we heard, “Capitalism has not served us well,” coming from… wait for it… good ol’ Nance. You know, the Speaker of the House whose personal wealth is valued at nearly 115 million dollars. I cannot speak for any Trump supporters who are convinced the election was rigged. However, your remark “when you get rid of him (Trump) I, and the left, will quit bringing him up.” You’re not suggesting the DNC should select the Democratic Party’s nominee, and be consulted about who they would consider to be an acceptable Republican Party candidate, are you?

Yes, administrations will almost always, to some extent, blame the previous president for current problems. But Joe reading the teleprompter and blaming the border crisis and the Afghanistan fiasco on “the other guy” really stretches reality into a form that is unrecognizable.

Let’s just set aside Trump’s claim that Hunter pocketed 1.5 billion dollars from Hunter’s China contacts. That is clearly an exaggeration. But c’mon man! Are you seriously comparing Joe’s son and millions in introduction fees, one million dollars compensation from a Ukrainian energy company, and a two million dollar retainer to help Libya unfreeze assets to Donald’s son taking a hunting trip to Mongolia that cost about 73K? Did Mike Pence loan Donald’s son the use of Air Force Two for the trip? (Your internet link did not get posted with your comment.)

Hmmm… the Mongolian hunting expedition was fraught with “money, connections and politics.” That sounds exactly like Hunter’s business dealings with foreign nationals who are seeking to capitalize on Joe’s influence. So, to answer your question… what is the difference between the Biden family selling access and the Trump family selling access? None… selling access is selling access. Where we can distinguish the previous and present administrations is the Dems’ tax and spend legislation. The bill for Joe’s 3.5 trillion dollar spending plan will come due… and American taxpayers, like you and me, will have to foot that bill. That’s what Washington does… confiscate money from Americans through taxation. Look like your guy has pushed confiscation to an extreme we have never seen before… and that includes Trump.

I will not say the 2020 election was stolen. I think we can agree that aggressive campaigning… negative TV ads… and an “October surprise” are part of the game. Except this time, the DNC, the MSM, high tech social media platforms, and the US intel community worked together in a conscious effort to deceive voters… then they lied about the deception. N’est-ce pas?

It’s a little after five o’clock. Enjoy the upcoming week.

Ray Fowler

Tafhdyd

You wrote, "The Trump grifters take it from taxpayers and the Biden grifters take it from private sources." I feel you're almost there... with Biden's $3.5 trillion spending plan underwriting the progressives' "free stuff" agenda and force feeding Americans the Green New Deal... we can say the Biden grifters take it from private sources and US taxpayers. That sheds a little light on why the DNC, MSM, tech platforms, and the intel community worked together to deceive the public.

Ciao, comrade!

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Once again Real, opinions of yours, dripping with emotion and lacking in critical thinking. You are but a snake oil salesman dispensing counter productive rants. Please do your homework. Tommy Tee and Rudy Murray recommend smoking pot. Maybe you should get with them about it. Mr. Madison and your readers deserve it.

Terence Y

100%, Wilfred. 100% (to borrow a comment from a mutual friend you've named)

Ray Fowler

Touche!

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Terence,

I am grateful that some of our friends know the limits of their ability to contribute.

Ray Fowler

Ouch! That being said... I agree... lots of emotion, and the letter is more apocryphal than analytical.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

100% Mr. Fowler 100%

Terence Y

Rel, similar to what you think of Mr. Madison’s letter, your letter is an even greater embarrassment. If we wanted to read the fake news and lies known as Democrat talking points, we could just read any lamestream media site. Not only that, I believe you were complaining that people weren’t providing links to indisputable facts but here you are, not providing any links. Probably because you know your so-called facts are disputable. But thanks for your letter. BTW, thanks for admitting Americans (still in the thousands) were abandoned and left behind due to treasonous Biden. And let’s all give thanks to the private charter plane that recently left Afghanistan loaded with Americans left behind by coward-in-chief Biden, as well as our allies who did their best to assist abandoned Americans.

Tafhdyd

Terence,

Where is your backup data? BTW, how are you doing with your bamboo fibers?

Terence Y

Taffy – I see your hypocrisy still abounds. For a guy who is still unable to list a treasonous Biden accomplishment, much less provide a credible link, it sounds like you should first help Rel to provide links supporting your Democrat talking points. But even the Impossible Missions Force won’t take on that assignment. Let me help you out… In addition to aiding and abetting the Taliban (treason), Biden owes half a million in income taxes – so much for paying his share. Alienating South Korea and France – so much for unity. BTW, how IS your panda scat study doing?

Dirk van Ulden

Rel attempts to spin the meaning of an accomplishment. Biden never served in the military either and selected rejects from the Trump administration to run the DOD. Yes, he was able to evacuate tens of thousands but these were not the targeted population but mostly undocumented folks who managed to get onto the Kabul airport. Biden's gang left hundreds of Americans and green card holders behind and now claims credit for rescue efforts undertaken by private parties. While not anywhere close in scale, dictators in the last century also had accomplishments indicating that the term is not always associated with positive outcomes as also demonstrated in Biden's case.

Ray Fowler

Hey, Dirk

We can hardly place Joe’s withdrawal from Afghanistan in the win column. It’s clear the current administration’s withdrawal plan was a failure, and that failure is still reverberating across Central Asia. It will have a global impact.

While we can kick around whether Joe should have anticipated the Taliban's resurgence in such a short period of time, Joe's rapid withdrawal plan made that resurgence easier.

Joe said the buck stopped with him. Leaving the Bagram air base in the dead of night, leaving control of Kabul... except for the airport... to the Taliban, leaving Americans and allies behind, leaving 80+ billion dollars’ worth of equipment to the Taliban were critical WH errors. Refusing to answer questions about the withdrawal and claiming that we retaliated with a drone strike against the Taliban that actually killed an Afghan family made those errors worse.

If anyone believes the chaos created in Afghanistan, only a short few weeks ago, was a WH accomplishment, they are probably pointing to the chaos on our southern border as an accomplishment, too.

Dirk van Ulden

Perhaps Rel is an abbreviation for Rel-entlessly beating a dead horse.

Ray Fowler

Well, his avatar does feature an Equine-American...

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

100@ Dirk 100% I add, astute.

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