Editor,

The headline “Moving in the right direction” in the weekend, Dec. 2-4 paper was an absolute joke. I realize it’s what he said but who in their right mind believes the crap that comes out of the most incompetent president ever. I still cannot believe that people actually think this idiot is a good president. He has done nothing but ruin this country.

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Renabk

What a shame the SMDJ thought that this "moronic" LTE, which is supported by absolutely no facts, was fit to print.

Tafhdyd

Ms. Renabk,

I would respectfully disagree with your comment that you think it was a shame that the DJ printed the LTE. I have found that the DJ does a good job of presenting both sides to the arguments that people post their opinions about.

If they were to decide what is worth printing the readers would not be able to see what their neighbors actually think. Printing the opposing sides gives us a chance to see that in a seemingly normal community there are some that wear tinfoil hats and worship the conspiracy gods.

The open discussion offered by the DJ lets us read and then agree, disagree, shake our heads or smile, whichever we please.

Terence Y

Taffy, my friend, the pigs must be flying today as we’ve found another issue we agree on. I’d give kudos to the DJ for printing Mr. Wild’s LTE, especially since, based on replies, nobody has been able to provide any evidence to the contrary of Mr. Wild’s facts. If anything, "incompetent moron" may be considered a compliment paid to Uncle Bob.

Perhaps I missed Renabk’s condemnation of Jorg’s multitude of “orange man bad” LTEs based on fake news and lies, rather than facts. (An example of tinfoil hat wearing and worship of the conspiracy gods?) On a side note, I wonder what Renabk thinks about the recent NHL-sponsored transgender hockey tournament in Wisconsin? There was a lot of hype and ink before the tournament but for some reason, not a lot of follow-up as to the result. To nobody’s surprise, a team consisting of the biggest “trans women” players won the tournament. Jonathan Kay of Quillette penned a great article on the tournament (https://quillette.com/blog/2022/12/09/ignoring-biological-reality-puts-female-hockey-players-at-risk/).

Ray Fowler

Well said, buddy

Ray Fowler

Oops! That "well said" was a follow on comment to Tafhdyd's post. But... Terence, great minds think alike and it looks like you, me and Tafhdyd all agree that everyone should have an opportunity to express their opinion.

Jorg

Well, Renabk, - by DJ publishing opinions way out in the conspiracy field, we are constantly reminded that the D-K effect is alive and well on this site! To not understand what they are talking about is bad enough, but not to understand that they don’t understand, is the ultimate problem in any discussion or opinion exchange.

Here’s a link for those who don’t know what the D-K effect is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bH7wqX8CczI

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg

OK. The D-K effect deals with folks overestimating their skills or abilities in a specific area (Psychology Today). You are suggesting that is true of persons posting comments in the DJ. Maybe I'm reading too much between the lines but it feels like you are suggesting the D-K effect is applicable only to folks who disagree with your positions. Dr. Dunning is quick to point out that he believes everyone... which includes persons exchanging ideas from diametrically opposite perspectives... is subject to the D-K effect. I guess that would also include anyone labeling others as dishonest, stupid, and unpatriotic... n'est-ce pas?

Jorg

Ray: I would say that someone who calls Biden an incompetent moron, neither understands what President Biden has been able to accomplish, nor that he understands that he doesn’t understand it. That’s directly in line with the D-K theory, - at least the way I understand it.

Ray Fowler

Hey, Jorg... it doesn't happen too often but we may have some common ground.

I tried to be clear... I disagree with some decisions our president has made, but that doesn't mean he is a moron. No one needs to resort to name calling in these pages.

Dr. Dunning is certainly a learned academician with an easy going nature. With respect to the D-K effect... we have all seen persons who overestimate their skills and abilities. It's disappointing that according to Dr. Dunning the D-K bias can creep into our thought processes even when we make an honest effort at self-assessment. However, getting inputs from others can help us recognize the bias.

I have crafted my own theory... it's the K-O effect. If someone sounds like Keith Olbermann, they have probably overestimated their skills and abilities in the art of argy-bargy.

Good night, everyone!

Jorg

Ray: So, what’s wrong with my statement about Neil Wild? Has he any idea of how wrong his statement is, and do you think he even understands that he doesn’t understand how wrong he is? What he wrote isn’t even worthy of being classified as an opinion, but I don’t think he understands that. In all likelihood he is also a Trump supporter! How is it possible to be so completely confused?

Ray Fowler

Jorg... Good morning

If the D-K effect applies to Neil's LTE, doesn't it also apply to your LTEs? Dr. Dunning thinks the effect applies to everyone. Check the 4:00 minute mark in the video link provided in one of your earlier posts.

Jorg

Ray: I think I am fully aware of what I don’t understand, which is far more than what I do understand, so I avoid offering any opinion. Can you site an example where I have violated my own principle, instead of hiding behind a wage accusation, just to get the attention away from Neil?

Terence Y

Ray, thanks for the astute observations. We can see the D-K effect is alive and well and thank Jorg for providing a perfect example, himself, yet he tries to ascribe the D-K effect to others (transference, anyone). Jorg doesn’t seem to understand that he’s overestimating his skill in saying Biden has accomplishments since Jorg isn’t ever able to provide any Biden accomplishments (sorry, dubious accomplishments don’t count). Now that I’ve provided an understanding, I wonder if Jorg can remove his ultimate problem in any discussion or opinion exchange. Or dear readers would appreciate it. Of course, this is the Jorg who, a few months ago, implored us to be more respectable and agreeable yet Jorg violated his own plea that same day. How is it possible to be so completely confused?

Ray Fowler

Jorg...

Sorry... I disagree. It does not appear you are "fully aware" of what you don't understand. Then because you acknowledge there is far more in this world that you don't understand... (ahem) that kinda applies to everyone posting in these pages... you "avoid offering any opinion"?! [interrobang added]

Jorg, you've dodged the question. Does the D-K effect apply to your LTEs? It's not an accusation; it's a pretty simple, straightforward question. If you care to respond, I would love to continue this conversation.

Jorg

Ray: Just give me an example of where you think it applies to something I stated.

Ray Fowler

Jorg, you've dodged the question... again. You introduced Dr. Dunning's work into this thread.

What's interesting is that according to Dr. Dunning, the cognitive bias of the D-K effect is also present in the self-assessment process. It sounds like you think because you are aware of the existence of things you don;t understand that you feel you have overcome the D-K effect. Dr. Dunning would disagree with that self-assessment of the overestimated skills and abilities that manifest themselves in your postings.

So... one more time... do you agree the D-K effect applies to your LTEs? If you care to respond, I would love to continue this conversation. Otherwise, it's... adieu mon frère!

Jorg

Ray: How can you claim it applies, when you can't even give me a single example of what you mean? So, I admit I don't understand you, so how can I respond?

Ray Fowler

Jorg...

I'll answer the question. Yes, as you have presented the D-K effect, it does apply to your LTEs. They clearly demonstrate an overestimation of expertise in the subjects discussed.

You want examples?

"I want the truth."

You can't handle the truth. The D-K effect as you have presented it can be found in your LTEs.

Jorg

Ray: Frankly, I have no idea what you are talking about, or where you are going with this. To me it just looks like one of your usual tangential sidesteps to spread confusion where you have nothing of substance to contribute.

Ray Fowler

Jorg

My response to Thursday's LTE was pretty clear cut. I wrote, "I'm not a Biden fan but I would not describe Joe as you have in your LTE. Yes, the person sitting in the Oval Office is fair game for criticism, but name calling is not criticism. That being said, there is a lot to criticize about the president's policies."

You chose to go ad hominem on the LTE writer... that's your choice. Sorry, but the tangential sidestep occurs when readers are directed to a popular psych study which served to draw attention away from bad policy decisions alluded to but not developed in the LTE. While Dr. Dunning's work is interesting, it does address the president's performance in office over the past 22 months.

Ray Fowler

Sorry. Last post shout read, "... it does not address the president's performance in office over the past 22 months." My error.

Jorg

Ray: All joking aside, the epitome of a D-K’r would be the self-declared stable genius Trump!

Ray Fowler

Jorg... we don't disagree.

I did a little reading on the D-K effect. It certainly appears the Donald overestimates his understanding of some topics, but the same can be said about good ol' Joe. However, presenting information that may seem to be a clear overestimation in understanding can have a political purpose that benefits the presenter. We see that on both sides of the aisle.

Well, Jorg... we started this week with some agreement. That's great. Thanks for the early Christmas present, and... Happy Festivus!

Jorg

Neil: Your crude “evaluation” of President Biden is, - yes, wild! Have you never wondered why Trump never carried a majority of votes, only a minority of less educated and more easily fooled voters, while Biden carried a solid majority. The support for Biden is growing as people realize how much better job he is doing than his predecessor, while more and more Republicans are beginning to realize what an untrustworthy, unpatriotic and criminal creep Trump is, and always has been, with lawsuits piling up on him. How gullible does one have to be to still support such an, -- well, let me use your words where they are more appropriate: incompetent moron.

Terence Y

Blah, blah, blah, twice (a repeat for Jorg’s duplicate comment) for Jorg’s continued beating of a dead horse in his “orange man bad” narrative. Perhaps someone can present a Christmas present to Jorg that will allow him to join us in the present. (Did I present verb, noun, and adjective correctly for present?). Meanwhile Mr. Wild should be proud of receiving one of Jorg’s only valid points – the exclamation point.

Jorg

Neil: Your crude “evaluation” of President Biden is, - yes, wild! Have you never wondered why Trump never carried a majority of votes, only a minority of less educated and more easily fooled voters, while Biden carried a solid majority. The support for Biden is growing as people realize how much better job he is doing than his predecessor, while more and more Republicans are beginning to realize what an untrustworthy, unpatriotic and criminal creep Trump is, and always has been, with lawsuits piling up on him. How gullible does one have to be to still support such an, -- well, let me use your words where they are more appropriate: incompetent moron.

Dirk van Ulden

Actually, after observing Biden for the last years, I am convinced that he has a retribution agenda. Just about all he does is sticking it to folks, politicians and programs that have denied him the current position for years. Now that he is on top he can finally act as God-King and he not wasting anytime. He does not care about the consequences and hides behind the perception that he is dement. Nothing is further from the truth, he knows exactly what he is doing and what he is causing. We saw another leader in the last century who vowed that his country would go down with him. History will judge Biden as likely the most destructive US president ever.

Jorg

If that’s what you call President Biden, what would you call Trump? Moron on steroid? He calls himself a “stable genius”. Do you agree?

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg...

I'm guessing your question is directed at the LTE author. Is that correct?

Jorg

Of course, Ray! That's why I placed it right under the LTE author.

Ray Fowler

Good morning, Neil

I'm not a Biden fan but I would not describe Joe as you have in your LTE. Yes, the person sitting in the Oval Office is fair game for criticism, but name calling is not criticism. That being said, there is a lot to criticize about the president's policies.

I didn't like his plan for pulling out of Afghanistan, and his border policy has been a disaster. His decisions on those issues were wrongheaded, however, those decisions do not make him a moron.

There is a lot more that can be said on this topic...

Terence Y

Thanks for your letter, Mr. Wild, reiterating what we all know. Notice how all the rabid left-wingers so quick to criticize our great President Trump are doing anything and everything to distract from treasonous Biden and his America Last policies? Instead, we get the electronic version of scurrying away – ghosting – because when asked, these folks cannot list a Biden accomplishment – because there aren’t any. Dubious accomplishments don’t count.

Ray Fowler

Brittney Griner?

Dirk van Ulden

Yes, a swap for releasing an international criminal for an entitled, cry baby. Another great move by our President.

Ray Fowler

Rail strike?

Ray Fowler

Back to Brittney...

I had never heard of Brittney until she was detained in Russia. It bothered me that another American was being held as Vlad's personal chattel. Yes, I know she violated Russia's drug laws but there is much more to this story than getting busted for sneaking less than a gram of cannabis oil through a Russian airport.

I'm sure Vlad was consulted with respect to every move made by Russian officials during the court proceedings and moving Brittney to a penal colony. Her treatment should be disturbing to all Americans regardless of gender, orientation or race.

I'm glad she is back. It will probably be a while before she is ready to play again at the WNBA professional level. When she does, it would be disappointing to see her take a knee during the national anthem but that is her choice. An American is home.

Jorg

No human compassion would stand in the way for a chance to put down President Biden, Dirk (Oops, I almost misspelled your name)

Ray Fowler

Jorg

Dirk was correct when he posted yesterday that your, "... dead horse beating has been getting old for a long time."

Terence Y

Well said, Dirk. Meanwhile, poor Paul Whelan’s still in Russian prison. Reverse racism on Biden’s part? And let’s not forget the hundreds of Americans still stuck behind enemy lines in Afghanistan since Biden took a knee and surrendered to the Taliban. Another dubious accomplishment by Jo(k)e Biden.

Jorg

Ray: not until his foolish followers realize that Trump is a dead horse (although I should apologize to all dead horses for that statement).

Ray Fowler

Ah, Jorg... SS, DD

Tafhdyd

Mr. Wild,

Apparently there is a glitch in the computers that process and print the letters to the editor. By mistake they inserted President Biden's name in place of former President Trump's name in your letter which so aptly describes the former president and conman. Like you say, saying it over and over doesn't make it real. We all can see that from Trump's continued spewing of garbage that he is still President and better yet, that the Constitution should be thrown out and he be made king.

All presidents have done some things right and some things wrong during their terms, some more of one than the other. Trump did do some things right, however, I don't need extra fingers on my hand to count them.

Ray Fowler

Hey, Tafhdydicus! You're up and at 'em pretty early this morning...

I'm not a Biden fan, and while Neil is perfectly free to express his opinion on Joe, I feel a discussion about positions instead of personalities is better. I resist going backwards in time, but I agree with you... the Donald's recent statements have to be included in the conversation.

December 23 will mark the anniversary of George Washington returning to civilian life in 1783. A lot of folks wanted him to become America's king, but George knew better. George understood there was a process... even four and a half years before our Constitution was ratified.

The Donald has made a claim that there was unprecedented fraud committed during the 2020 election. Maybe there was... ol' Elon seems to be uncovering some DNC election fraud... we'll see where that goes. However, Donald's claims are not a reason to set aside parts of the Constitution.

Thanks for some levelheaded commentary... "All presidents have done some things right and some things wrong during their terms..." Now, if San Mateo could just get a fifth city council person installed... that issue needs some levelheaded commentary, too.

Remember, December 23 is also Festivus. Go Navy!

Tafhdyd

Good morning Ray,

👍 Up early for doctors appointments. Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about Festivus.

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