Editor,

In his Dec. 29 column, Matt misrepresents the recently passed COVID-19 bill. The bill was not just $900 billion toward COVID relief, but also $1.4 trillion to finance the U.S. government for 2021. The funds to foreign governments were not taken from COVID relief, but included in Trump’s own 2021 budget (which Trump has clearly not read).

As to who held up passage of the bill, that falls directly on Mitch McConnell and the Republican Senate. The Democratic house passed a COVID relief bill months prior to Dec. 24, but McConnell stalled and Trump played golf.

On the other hand, Matt is correct that any bill that takes 5,600 pages to describe undoubtably includes lots of giveaways to special interests which will not benefit ordinary Americans and I agree with his condemnation of Congress for that.

As to Matt’s math, if the $900 billion had been equally divided by households earning less than $150,000, it would have produced a check of about $8,690 per household, a significant sum, but not $8.74 million, and it would not have included the $6 billion for vaccine distribution, $284.45 billion small business loans, $25 billion rental assistance, $82 billion for education, plus other beneficial targeted funding which is in the bill. The bill is not as generous as the previous CARES bill, but is bi-partisan which is an accomplishment in itself.

As to Trump representing the “majority” of Americans, I’m sorry Matt, but the majority of Americans voted him out of office by about 7 million popular votes in a fair and square election.

David Crabbe

San Carlos

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Terence Y

Mr. Crabbe (any relation to Buster?), you started out well with a numbers-filled letter that I was planning on accepting at face value. However, you blew it at the end when your TDS showed up. Now I can’t believe any of your numbers or opinions knowing you have an inherent TDS-bias. Thanks for trying, but next time I’d recommend you save readers some time and just write another blah, blah, blah, Trump bad TDS-rant, as you’ve done in the past. Have a great time spending the $600 your government has so generously provided.

Rel

What Terrence, no blah, blah, blah, about the election not being over? Why do you decry Mr. Crabbe when at the end of his letter he states a verifiable fact? Trump did lose by over 7M votes. Good thing too because he will likely be arrested for inciting sedition and once again leading an assault on our Constitution. The facts will set you free.

Tommy Tee

Rel--he will continue to defend the idiot. Facts don't matter to him.

Terence Y

Tommy Tee-DS, why would I defend the Obama-nable era?

Terence Y

Rel, did you read the letter in its entirety? Mr. Crabbe’s TDS-bias shows up when he says fair and square. Although maybe I’m talking to the wrong person as you probably think using identity theft and forgery to vote illegally are considered fair.

Ray Fowler

Hi, Terence

I did date a coed in college who was related to Buster Crabbe. Small world.

Time to insert two things... 1) we should not forget that Hillary decried Donald as an illegitimate president for the four years following her loss in 2016, and she advised Joe to not concede under any circumstances if the vote totals favored Donald, and 2) Donald finally did concede the election. It is over. Time for R's to regroup and start planning election strategies for 2022. What role Donald will play in that process remains to be seen.

You have been a staunch Trump supporter. Who do you like in 2024?

Terence Y

Happy New Year, Ray! Please excuse the exclamation point as I wanted to channel Jorg (he’s been somewhat scarce) and this was the most appropriate place for it. I don’t believe our great President Trump verbally conceded so as far as I’m concerned, it’s not yet over. If this stolen election is allowed to stand, I’d like to see Trump running in 2024, but obviously, with a better VP. I was never a fan of Pence, and his recent actions bear out my misgivings.

Tommy Tee

Terence-Blah bah, blah, blah it's OVER! See, you wasted all your breath over the last two months. I'm surprised you weren't in DC yesterday. Meanwhile, Trump's people are resigning and resigning. 25th Amendment!

Tafhdyd

Mr. Crabbe,

You show in plain language some of the problems with Mr. Grocott’s LTE. Unfortunately as we have seen in many of his recent articles he is deeply into Trumpism and has shown very little understanding of reality. I am looking forward to his next column to see how he spins his great idol’s latest act of sedition at the Capitol yesterday.

Dirk van Ulden

Come on Taffy, while Trump encouraged the protest march, he did not ask the BLM crowd and Antifa to join in the mayhem. The violence level was certainly a hallmark of the riots that many cities endured last summer. I guess these morons wanted to have a final party. You may recall that VP-Elect Harris helped bail riot leaders out of jail in several cities. Are you surprised that many of are dumbfounded that she may be running this country one day?

Tommy Tee

Funny how the riot police were absent yesterday, but were sure there in full force for BLM and when Trump wanted to hold up the bible (that he never read), in front of the church (that he never attended). It's called white privilege.

Terence Y

Different day, same fake news rants from Tommy Tee-DS. Although the racism is a new twist. Thanks Mama Tee, for washing Tommy’s potty mouth out with soap. Readers are appreciative as we don’t want to add NSFW warnings.

Ray Fowler

Tommy

The police presence was less than it should have been. We agree. DC police were not adequately prepared. Why? Some "experts" believe the DC police did not anticipate a violent reaction coming from a largely Republican crowd. Nonsense. If you have that many people in one city to protest, you need to make better preparations.

To suggest that police response was over the top last summer when nearly 200 cities had to impose curfews needs a little more evaluation. The police didn't stop 1-2 billion dollars in property loss often because they were in the standby mode as directed by mayors and city councils.

BTW are you referring to the DC church burned by protesters?

Dirk van Ulden

Tommy, - let's add to that, "the church that BLM tried to burn down." Everything is racist in your book. White privilege? Why are so many many Asian professionals in the Health Care segment, Tommy? Why is the demographic changing on the Peninsula in favor of Asians? All because the Whites allow them to move here? No, because they are not racist like you. They work hard, raise their children well, just want a better life and look for an area where they are comfortable. White privilege is a myth, and you know it.

Rel

Come on Dirk, does it not bother you that Trump incited a seditious act by encouraging an assault on Congress and our Constitution? He committed a crime! To compare this mob attack to BLM marches is also disingenuous, as BLM has not ever directly lead to loss of life by their hands. They also did not advocate a coup of the government. Yesterday was a sad day for our fragile democracy and it is a shame you do not see this.

Dirk van Ulden

Rel - I would not go as far as Trump incited a sedition act but I do agree that his rally was over the line. Little did he know that Antifa and others were going to mingle with the peaceful protesters. There is no excuse for what happened yesterday and President Trump should own up to it. In that sense, Biden and the gang never acknowledged the rioting, the killing, and destruction in many cities last summer. Even his sycophants in the media always mentioned that there were just a few undesirable outcomes. Tell that to the hundreds of shop owners whose livelihoods were destroyed. Don't worry though, Kamala Harris funded the release of the perpetrators and Biden dismissed BLM as just a movement. Sweep it under the rug unless it can hurt Trump, of course.

Ray Fowler

Tafhdyd

Good morning.

Talk of sedition sounds a lot like CNN blather to me. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think the elements of the crime of sedition are present. It takes more than inciting a challenge to the government's authority to sustain a charge of sedition.

I feel we can set aside Matt Grocott's column, and start picking up the pieces from yesterday. Joe Biden has an enormous task facing him. Can he bring a semblance of unity to how our government functions but more importantly how Americans feel about their fellow Americans? With regrets to George Orwell... will Joe allow horror without end to continue or will he end the horror?

Tommy Tee

Sedition: "Conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch." That was it in a nutshell.

Ray Fowler

Tommy

We'll have to step away from Merriam-Webster for a discussion of what may or may not be sedition. Sedition can be conduct or speech challenging the authority of a state with the intention of destroying the state. Without the intent to destroy, a lot of commentary could be construed as sedition. That might include some commentary on CNN over the past four years because the elements of sedition can be applied to someone challenging an R president or a D president.

If Donald Trump could have his way, he would remain in office. So, it's not likely his rhetoric challenging the election is designed to destroy the Oval Office... he doesn't want to clean out his desk.

If you have an argument that Donald Trump's conduct and speech this week meets the requirements to sustain a charge of sedition, please post it.

Rel

Ray, downplaying talk of sedition sounds like Fox news to me. The definition of sedition in the U.S. is "a serious felony punishable by up to 20 years in prison and it refers to the act of inciting revolt or violence against a lawful authority with the goal of destroying it". Trump by his rhetoric prior to, and including, yesterday advocated violence (Guliani specifically mentioned it), and should be brought up on charges. It was said by his aides, Trump took delight on yesterday's shameful attack on the government and was reluctant to take any action to quell it. Later, he eventually told the mob to go home but to "continue the fight". Our democracy took a serious hit yesterday and Trump is directly responsible and should be held accountable.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Rel

A charge of sedition needs more than a dictionary definition. I'm not downplaying talk of sedition; I am asking for a dialog to hold up calls for sedition to what transpired yesterday. Check my latest post in response to Tommy...

As you pointed out a charge of sedition also requires conduct or speech "with the goal of destroying it (legal authority). That's a steep burden of proof hill to climb. Did they say the same on Fox News? I don't know if they did, but if they did, it's a legitimate point. It doesn't mean I agree with their pundits. It does mean that I would like to see something supporting that a crime has occurred. Wishful thinking will not get Donald Trump into a courtroom as a defendant.

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