What’s wrong with the right?

May 27, 2023
May 27, 2023 Updated Apr 13, 2025
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Editor,

Who could forget Republican leadership’s collusion when President Obama was elected: Make him a single-term president and fight against everything he proposes, no matter what!

(46) comments

Dirk van Ulden May 27, 2023 4:40am

Well Jorg - should the WH ever need a better spin doctor than the inept one now reading answers from behind the podium, you could be first in line to replace her. Another master piece.

Jorg May 27, 2023 8:49am

Oh, Dirk, I was wrong! I really expected a more intelligent response, at least from you, if any at all. I’ll get over it. The other “response” so far, was totally expected, of course.

Dirk van Ulden May 27, 2023 9:24am

So sorry Jorg - but an intelligent response is predicated upon an intelligent position that you have never been able to articulate.

Jorg May 27, 2023 9:43am

So, tell me then, Dirk, what you found not to be intelligent, or truthful, in my LTE

Jorg May 29, 2023 7:43am

Still waiting, Dirk! Or do you want me to believe you tossed it out without thinking? Again!

Jorg Jun 7, 2023 7:55am

Still no response, Dirk? Well, that figures, from someone who obviously understood so little of my initial LTE! I thought I had expressed it clearly enough, in simple English!

Terence Y May 27, 2023 6:52am

Blah, blah, blah - Jorg again trying to rewrite the past. Meanwhile Jorg willfully ignores treasonous Biden and the Biden crime family. Par for Jorg”s course.

Mike O. May 28, 2023 11:26pm

TY;

Now what are you blah, blah, blah-ing about? That's your answer to every time Jorg correctly states the truth, facts and history of events. That's not the definition of 'rewriting the past'. Boy, you need to go back to school Your typical Republican accuse and name call first, then, try to find evidence to support your defamation of character and slanderous comments. Get your head out TY. What treasonous act has Biden done? Without evidence, that makes you a liar. And saying 'Biden crime family', how ignorant are you? No evidence on Hunter Biden for years now. Now false accusations on President Biden now as we approach 2024 elections, just typical Republican dirty politics, as usual. Nice try TY, but, it won't work. Oh, by the way, I heard that the Republicans can't find the secret witness that has all the evidence against Hunter. Boy, that went well for you guys didn't it. Oh brother!

Jorg May 29, 2023 1:13pm

Mike: What can we expect from someone so completely removed from any semblance of facts and reality, that he still praises Trump as the best president we have ever had!

LittleFoot May 27, 2023 9:54am

God bless you, Jorg.

Rel May 27, 2023 10:02am

Amen Jorg. As long as the Republicans show fealty only to the loser Trump, or seek power for its own sake, they are going to lose elections far into the future. They have sought only the goal of retribution and will not use compromise at any turn. They will continue to reap what they sow, and be losers.

Jorg May 27, 2023 11:03am

Useful proverb: “If you have nothing to say, just keep it for yourself, as your very own, cute little secret!”

Then, no one else would know, but you! Wouldn’t that be fun?

Otherwise, you may be asked to explain what you meant by your word salad. And that’s no fun, - unless you don’t understand that either!

edkahl May 27, 2023 11:14am

Don't forget that it was the Democrat's appointed FBI director Comey and Hillary's lies that got Trump elected.

Jorg May 27, 2023 11:39am

Ed: Yes, you are right, Comey made a huge mistake, that has cost us dearly!

But what were Hillary's lies?

Well, if anything, it shows how arbitrary the 2016 election was, both in terms of unknown foreign influence in Trump's favor, and that we let an evangelical-inspired minority select the President, leaving all minority votes in every state without any impact on the election. Neither wise, nor right in my book.

Dirk van Ulden May 27, 2023 12:26pm

Ed - just give up on Jorg. Based on his responses one can tell that he is in a critical state of denial. Now he has even forgotten about Hillary's lies that even Comey, a suspicious character himself, acknowledged. The Deep State in action, heaven help us.

Jorg May 27, 2023 12:40pm

Again, Dirk: What were her lies?

Jorg May 27, 2023 12:58pm

Dirk: Even if you can’t cook up a response to my question, don’t you realize how ridiculous it sounds, talking about Hillary’s “lies”, while you support an habitual liar like Trump, as blindly as you have been doing? If anything, you indirectly support the essence of my LTE.

Dirk van Ulden May 27, 2023 1:16pm

Jorg - do I have to prove that the Pope is Roman Catholic? She lied about her server, about the murder of our ambassador in Libya, about the Trump campaign interference, about the Clinton Foundation, her alleged close association with Clarence Thomas when they were in law school, the Vince Foster case, and her real estate scams. We could spend days summing up her deceit and slippery characteristics. But, if you are still convinced that she is a choir girl, please let it be for your own sanity's sake. I am done with it.

Jorg May 27, 2023 3:09pm

Dirk: I wouldn’t take too seriously what comes out of the Fox Entertainment Hole. Even if somewhat true, no contest lying-wise with Trump, and certainly not anywhere as damaging as Trump’s incessant lying, especially as a WH occupant, and even afterwards. You keep forgetting it is Trump we are talking about, not Hillary or anybody else for that matter. Try to stick to the subject, Dirk, and don’t resort to what-aboutism.

Tafhdyd May 28, 2023 4:43pm

Dirk,

Your comment sure sounds like the pot calling the kettle black and then painting it with a broad brush. How about some specifics about campaign interference and Clinton Foundation. You can't be serious when you mention real estate scams as a counter to Trump, the king of crooked real estate deals? Over the years many of the uninformed right wing have brought up the Uranium One subject in conjunction with the Clinton Foundation, you know, the one that was debunked. Is that the connection you are trying to make? How about Trump's charitable foundation that he used to sucker donors for money to use for his own legal fees, political campaign and lined his pockets? You know the one that was dissolved by the courts due to violations of the law and made to pay the remaining $2 million to actual charities. You said we could spend days summing up her deceit and slippery characteristics. We could spend months and even years summing up Trump's.

Westy May 27, 2023 6:39pm

Right on, Jorg. First we had Obama, who dragged us back from a financial disaster, then we had Trump who increased the debt more than any other president and stuffed the government full of traitors and incompetents, now we have Biden, who turned the government around again even in the face of Trumpists refusing to do any of the traditional transition activities. I don't understand the GOP death cult--they seem determined to drive us over the cliff. It's not enough to suspend our basic human rights and arm random kooks with military grade weapons, no they also want to weaken our standing in the world and our financial security by playing chicken with the debt ceiling.

Dirk van Ulden May 27, 2023 9:19pm

Dragged us back from a financial disaster? He who bailed out the large banks with billions at tax payer expense and continued to hobnob with Wall street? There is not a single person in Biden's cabinet who is competent, all were picked based on their appearance and ambiguous identity instead of talent. But, as a lackey for the left and the compromised press, Westy, I did not expect anything else from you or Bagdad Jorg. If inflation, crime and open borders caused by the Biden administration are not a roadmap to the proverbial cliff, I don't know what will in your book. Dream on, cowboy, as we used to say in the military.

Jorg May 28, 2023 7:15am

Dirk: You misspelled Trump's name! Again! It shouldn't be that hard?

Tafhdyd May 28, 2023 4:18pm

Dirk,

Your comment, "There is not a single person in Biden's cabinet who is competent, all were picked based on their appearance and ambiguous identity instead of talent." needs a little reference point. Have you ever looked at the cabinet assembled by Trump? A comprehensive list of "who's who" in the corruption laden world of corporate greed made up of grifters, cons, family, (I know, family included with grifters and cons when talking about Trump is a redundancy) and various other recipients of political favors. The few adults in the room were soon fired or quit because even as low as their standards were they could not bring themselves to stoop to Trump's level.

Jorg May 28, 2023 5:02pm

Tafhdyd: It is impossible for me to understand how anyone can be so totally confused, so contrary to indisputable facts, solid documentation, logic, and good old fashioned common sense. It is tempting to laugh at all the nonsense, but I’m afraid we have a much more serious problem, including people who vote guided by a fantasy world, with a voting system so messy that not even a sane majority is certain to win. With Trump we may have been closer to the cliff than we dared to believe at the time. And this despicable liar is trying again, if for no other reason than to avoid being punished for all his crimes, including going to jail. Millions of gullible and easily fooled voters want him back! What a backwards, uneducated country!

Mike O. May 28, 2023 11:09pm

Dirk;

I gotta ask, are you not of this world, to know what Westly said was exactly true and factual, and is historically correct? Come on man, denying the truth and history isn't going to help the discussion. And for the record, Biden and his administration is better than Trump and his incompetent crooked administration. So, using 'lackey for the left', isn't derogatory, just because YOU don't agree with someone else's opinion? Typical Republican, it's ok for you guys to be derogatory and name call, but, when someone else like Jorg says something you don't agree with, you and Ray complain about Jorg being derogatory. At least he doesn't call anyone any names like you guys do. Grow up!

Jorg May 28, 2023 7:32am

Westy: As one who cares about this country, and who has so much to be thankful for, I don’t like to admit that the “Right-wing” inspired comments I get, remind me of what the Republican Party has become, - exactly what you state. They have no counterpoints to offer, they sidestep the issues with “what-about-this” and “what-about-that”, sprinkled with inconsequential half-truths about the perceived opposition, lies from the Fox Hole, and the always expected childish “Blah-blah-blah”. Absolutely nothing that addresses what we bring up. Why? Either because they don’t have any, or because they don’t dare to admit the truth, namely that their “GOP” has outlived itself, with great help from Trump, who still holds them in complete mind control, like any dictator would, holding us all back from what this very rich and promising country could, and should, have been. What a shame!

Which raises the uncomfortable question: Are Republicans really as dumb as they sound and behave like? Don’t they realize that Democratic administrations would be, and have already been, in their own very best interest? The brighter and better educated among them have already left, and continue to do so, including my only close, Republican friend, who said he couldn’t in his wildest dreams vote for someone like Trump. I have always maintained that he was too bright, too well educated, and too honest to be a Republican.

Way back on 11/25/2020, I had an LTE published, called “Thank you, Donald J. Trump”, where I thanked him for destroying the Republican Party, for the benefit of all of us. When will they get it? Ever? I’m afraid we both know the answer.

Westy May 28, 2023 12:13pm

Hi Jorg! What I find particularly amazing is the ease with which some take the things done by their right-winger peeps and accuse Democrats of doing those things. As in Dirk, above, saying that Biden appointed incompetent people on the basis of looks when that is the opposite of true BUT is in fact exactly what Trump did. Bush Jr as well for that matter--remember "Heck of a job Brownie" who, with zero experience, was appointed as head of FEMA and caused many deaths in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina with his complete lack of response? But Trump took it to a whole new level, even appointing a known traitor, Michael Flynn, as National Security Advisor. And the lies they tell about Hillary Clinton, making it out like she is the liar and pounding away on it with zero evidence (lots of people at that time were using personal servers, including Repubs) until it becomes true in the minds of some. It is fascinating but disturbing. I don't think they are dumb, but its been shown that once you wrap your whole identity up into an ideology, it can be hard to break free even in the face of blatant evidence of the evil underpinnings and evil results (i.e. ban Muslims, separate children from their families at the border, cosy up to Putin, advocate for letting Russia take Ukraine, etc, etc) of said ideology. It's how cults function and thrive--they provide something to their members.

Ray Fowler May 28, 2023 10:49am

About nine months ago, a DJ reader submitted an LTE proposing we should "Disagree with grace" in these pages and set aside ad hominem rhetoric. To do otherwise, according to that same reader, would be "inappropriate, degrading and unmanly." The reader challenged everyone to "upgrade to a more respectable and agreeable level..."

I agree.

Jorg May 28, 2023 11:28am

Ray: That LTE addressed ad hominem attacks, which are directed against a person, rather than the position that is criticized. There is a difference between calling someone “Bagdad Joe” and calling the Republican party a Trump-dominated cult. See the difference?

Ray Fowler May 28, 2023 12:10pm

Lead by example.

Jorg May 28, 2023 12:35pm

Ray: As if I haven't? It doesn't look like you got my point. Or perhaps you just didn't want to. If you disagree, show me an example.

Ray Fowler May 28, 2023 1:41pm

Skål, bror!

Mike O. May 28, 2023 10:43pm

Ray;

Just because you don't agree with anything Jorg says, doesn't mean it isn't true and factual. What Jorg wrote is very much true. That's not the definition of 'rhetoric'. For a former officer in the Navy, I would expect you to know that. I'm disappointed, but, not surprised.

Dirk van Ulden May 28, 2023 1:50pm

Jorg - you have insinuated for a few years that those of us who disagreed with you are cult-like, stupid and uninformed. Giving you a you a benign Bagdad Jorg nickname would only be offensive if it were completely inappropriate. I beg to differ, it fits you to a TEE. You have no problem dishing it out but you have real difficulty accepting the views of others. You may remember Bagdad Bob who as Bagdad was on fire in the background seemed to reassure TV viewers that nothing was wrong. I compare that with your unabated criticism of the Republicans while the Democrats are actually destroying our country. May the polls be my witness.

Jorg May 28, 2023 2:18pm

Thanks, Dirk! You are more than amusing! You keep giving the growing majority of us some really good laughs, which are much needed these days. Yes, we have to laugh, - to take it seriously would be too depressing, considering the reality of it all.

Mike O. May 28, 2023 10:56pm

Dirk;

When Jorg, or anyone else, points out the common thread among Republican/Trump supporters, that's just what is commonly known and evident, as is continuously displayed in the media, whether on TV news or the late show. This isn't about respecting the opinions of others, it's about telling and admitting the truth and facts, which is something you guys on the right have a hard time doing. Take for example, you comment "...while the Democrats are actually destroying our country". Ok, where is the proof for that? There isn't any. Jorg has always been respectable, and only tries to enlighten you guys of facts and reasoning in case you were unaware of it. That's not the definition of having "real difficulty accepting the views of others". I'm disappointed in you Dirk, I expected better from you.

Ray Fowler May 29, 2023 8:40am

Happy Memorial Day, Michael

For the last couple of years, I have been emphasizing presenting positions on issues in these pages instead of focusing on personalities. Almost six months ago, I decided I would toss a comment or two into some discussions but to largely refrain from the debates. I will stray from that choice just a little today.

Here we go... I believe you and I agree... it's not fair to paint Biden's cabinet... or any cabinet... with the broad brush of incompetence. Are there some weak players in Biden's cabinet... as there are in all cabinets? Sure. I would offer the following: Given last week's CNN's poll that showed two-thirds of Americans believe Biden's reelection in 2024 would be either a disaster or a setback for the country, did the performance of Biden cabinet members M. Garland, A. Mayorkas, P. Buttigieg, and K. Harris contribute to these very negative poll results?

There you have it. A post that focuses on a position that supports someone other than Joe Biden being named the DNC nominee without demeaning any DJ readers who like the current president.

My reference to a past LTE which called for civility in these pages was simply a reminder to another reader to embrace the words that same reader penned in that LTE. Do you believe we can disagree with grace?

Jorg May 29, 2023 8:14am

Thanks, Mike O. for your attempt at explaining to Dirk, Ray and even TY, what the title of my LTE means! Whether or not you penetrated the dense Right wall of denial, remains to be seen.

Ray Fowler May 29, 2023 8:44am

Happy Memorial Day, Jorg

I also responded to Michael with an example why disagreeing with grace is better than ad hominem ad infinitum. Enjoy the holiday.

Terence Y May 29, 2023 11:04am

Hilarious – below is a perfect example of a leftist echo chamber with participants leading with emotion and regurgitating fake news and lies, showing we can’t take them seriously. We have Jorg, who thinks he knows better than our founding fathers and our courts on the Second Amendment and the Electoral College. (Sorry, Jorg, you don't know better.) We have Westy, who thinks starving horses and people of alfalfa will solve the water crisis. (Don’t worry Westy, God/Mother Nature has taken care of our water crisis - alfalfa for all.) We have Taffy, who thinks there was some magical Republican to Democrat switcheroo in our recent history. (There wasn’t.) We have Mike O, whose cheerleading comments can easily be flipped around by replacing lefties with righties and vice versa. One good thing - lefties appear to have given up on their Russian Collusion Delusion and so-called insurrection narratives after they realized they were hoodwinked, again. Unfortunately for us, they’ve returned to their usual live-in-the-past jibber-jabber and willful ignorance of all things bungling Biden, adding nothing of value to any conversation.

Meanwhile, let’s remember the men and women who’ve made the ultimate sacrifice for our once great country. If you can, attend a celebration/memorial (some serve donuts and coffee as an added treat). Sadly, in this current day and age, thanks to treasonous Biden and his America Last policies, our country is no longer as great but there’s time to Make America Great Again as our great President Trump has done once before.

Jorg May 29, 2023 11:13am

So, what IS wrong with the Right?

Let me conclude by stating the most obvious: Dishonesty! Anything to hide their side’s wrongdoings, and whatever it takes to twist around the other side’s actions and statements to make them look as bad as possible, knowing that the easily fooled masses siding with them will buy anything, without thinking, without knowing much, and apparently not caring much about what happens to the country, - and eventually themselves. The best and brightest of Republicans have already left the Party, many claiming that the Party left them, and clearly a lot of truth to that.

Not a single comment to this LTE has shown that it was wrong, although the usual GOPers tried their best to explain it away and muddle it all up. Why? How can anyone accept and defend what the Republican leadership did to President Obama, as I stated in the first paragraph?

Westy May 29, 2023 12:21pm

Yep, that was a good first paragraph! It is shameful that the Republican party is doing so much damage to the strength of the country, as well as to the well being of individual people. This is why Putin enthusiastically funded Trump and the NRA--they are very effective at weakening our country without a single shot fired.

Jorg May 29, 2023 1:47pm

On this Memorial Day, let us not forget that the Presidents that got us involved in all the 3 largest wars of recent times, Viet Nahm, Afghanistan, and Iraq, were all Republican Presidents! President Kennedy inherited the Viet Nahm war after Eisenhower, but soon decided that we should get out of that unwinnable bloodshed, which may very well be why he was assassinated. Have we learned anything from those mistakes?

Ray Fowler May 29, 2023 2:57pm

Hello, Jorg

Looks like presidents from both parties had a hand in our involvement in Vietnam, but the major escalation occurred while a Democrat was in the WH. https://www.history.com/news/us-presidents-vietnam-war-escalation

Jorg May 29, 2023 3:35pm

Yes, Ray: Once we're involved, it is so much harder to get out of it again. That's why we need presidents who are better equipped mentally, and certainly not someone who listens to divine voices inside the head, like you-know-whom!

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