Democracy

Ray,

Nixon was elected to end the Viet Nam war that LBJ escalated and we know that didn’t go as planned either. I will give you Reagan. As nice a guy as Carter was he was out of his league as the president. How did Carter get there? Who was before him? Nixon and Ford and we know how Nixon turned out. The same way Trump should have.

What happened to Bush 41? He was riding high the first three years after Reagan and then took a nose dive to open the door to Slick Willy. Bush 43 didn’t get elected to fix problems from Clinton. Clinton was termed out and had a good record with balancing the budget and doing other things the Republicans wanted to do. In fact a lot of people said that he was a better Republican then the Republicans themselves. Bush 43 got elected because of a third world operation called the Florida elections and “hanging chads” organization. We know how his terms went with Afghanistan war and the tanked economy when Obama took over.

You know my position on the orange man so I won’t waste the keystrokes.

Tafhdyd...

Yes, Nixon came in to clean up the Johnson's mess in Vietnam. That's kinda Ed's point. Then, Carter comes in after Nixon's scandal (Ford was just a placeholder... ).

Bush 41? He didn't follow his opposing party, but when the economy tanked on his watch... here comes Clinton. Bush 43 benefited tremendously from Clinton's scandals. GW did not win because of Florida... gosh... that sounds an awful lot like some folks today saying 2020 was stolen.

I'll say it again... Joe's 2024 replacement will have to clean up the flotsam and jetsam left trailing in the wake of the USS Biden.

Hello, Jorg... glad you could join us.

Are you suggesting Trump has participated in Putin's invasion of Ukraine... an invasion that occurred more than a year after Trump left office? If so, how did that happen? And was Biden a factor in Putin's staging an invasion force on the Ukrainian border? (Hint: Afghanistan)

Everyone who wanders into the DJ's comments section is fully aware of your loathing for Trump. You are fond of saying... Trump's this, he's that, but most importantly... Trump's a liar (add the number of exclamation points you feel are appropriate).

Have you followed the news this week? The NYT admitted that their reporting about Hunter Biden's laptop was false. They knew it was not "Russian disinformation" but said so anyway. Then, Twitter and Facebook canceled reportage that described the laptop in a way that could be damaging to Biden's chances of election. Does any of this sound familiar?

About the same time, Donald challenges Joe about the laptop in a televised debate... Joe dismisses the story as... wait for it... Russian disinformation. Now, there were probably quite a few folks at the DNC who knew the laptop, with its incriminating emails about the Biden family influence peddling business, belonged to Hunter Biden. And one of them most certainly was Joe himself.

Yet, when asked about the laptop, he said the story about the computer was Russian disinformation. So, it appears Joe was ready to lie to the American people to protect his chances of being elected to the presidency. N'est-ce pas? .

Ray,

I told you before that Putin didn't bother with Ukraine because his gullible buddy, DJT, was worth more to him than the war, but once he was gone Putin had no choice. Why buy the cow when the milk is free.

As for lying about the laptop. I won't argue the wrongness of it but, c'mon man, I don't have 700 hours to review Trump's lies.

Ray: Why do you respond on behalf of Terence Y, and go far out on a tangent, way off what I brought up? I referred to his blind admiration for what he calls “the great President Trump” If he can’t cook up something himself, so be it. Let him stew over it, and perhaps come up with something that can amuse us even more.

Jorg, I didn’t realize you were the arbiter of what we can and cannot discuss in this forum. The comments section isn’t your personal blog where you can censor and edit comments you don’t like. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. BTW, in response to your other comment, did Putin invade Ukraine when our great President Trump was in office? Or when Putin saw treasonous Biden kneel to the Taliban, did Putin then act? Some would say Putin is a genius compared to impotent Biden. It appears you’re a fan of Putin, since you compliment Putin as “being a genius” and Putin’s attack as being “smart.”

Jorg

You'll have address your rebuttal of Terence's comments to Terence.

In your mind, Trump and Putin are pals, and that's why Putin waited for Trump to be voted out of office. If they were pals... why would Vlad wait? Trump is not connected to Putin's aggression in Ukraine as you have suggested. That's the point. That begs the question... asked in an earlier conversation... why did Vlad invade the Crimea then later invade Ukraine when Democrats were in the Oval Office? You didn't answer earlier... do you have an answer now?

Do you think Joe's debacle in Afghanistan may have green lighted Putin and his plans to invade Ukraine? If not, why not?

Finally... the tangent. You brought Trump into the conversation, and you are unable to leave your disdain for him outside. You have stated too many times to count that Trump is a liar. OK. Now, that Joe has lied about his son;s laptop... do you have any thoughts on that matter? .

Tafhdyd...

Putin did not benefit from a gullible president in the White House... but he was very wary of an unpredictable president in the White House. So, Vlad waited until dawdling president was in the White House before making his move on Ukraine.

Trump... in only the way he can... exaggerated, misstated, and sometimes just made stuff up especially on Twitter. Joe lied to the American people in a televised debate. (Don't forget Joe earned four Pinocchios for lying to Americans after he was president.) How many lies does he get?

Jorg... you gave me an idea. Thanks.

Remember Jon Mays' column last week when he talked about creating inspiration? He said we can so with kindness, honesty, empathy and listening. So, here's my idea... I would like to treat you and Terence to lunch. Plus, I'll invite Tafhdyd. We can listen to and share different opinions in a kind, honest and empathetic way.

We are gentlemen of leisure with a lot of life experience. Sure, we can talk about things written in the DJ, but consider the whole universe of possibilities. How far will the Warriors go in the playoffs? Will Kim Kardashian and Pete Davidson get married? Ginger or Mary Ann? Or maybe we can regale each other with tales of derring-do from our younger days.

There is such a thing as a free lunch. Whad'ya say?

Ray - sounds like a plan but methinks two of your invitees may have a problem with the “… kind, honest and empathetic” parts, as we’ve seen from their continual anti-Trump screeds. Perhaps we need to wait for their TDS-infections to work their way through. Also the other two invitees may not be able to make it as they’re still living in the past and can’t find a path to the present. But I jest, maybe? Perhaps we need to remove politics from the discussion and focus on the other universe of possibilities. I’d ask if, when making Spam and eggs do you first saute the Spam and use the oils to then scramble the eggs. Or scramble the eggs first? And full disclosure, everyone needs to be comfortable having lunch with a jab-challenged diner.

Terence...

Thanks for saying "yes" to the invite. You had me worried until you wrote, "But I jest..."

We can make it happen, and if we actually sit down and make the effort to get to know each other... I'm hoping it will positively change our online relationships. Oh, we'll disagree on lots of issues, but we can do so emphatically without doing so stridently.

Let's see what Jorg and Tafhdyd have to say... .

Ray: Thank you for a very kind offer of a luncheon get-together. Regretfully, I’m sorry I have to decline for personal reasons, at least for now.

Ray,

An interesting idea you have. I would suggest you sit down for the following comment.

I agree with Terence, at least on one item, politics should not be part of the discussion. If it was I would think we need a place close to both law enforcement and medical facilities.

I would be happy to talk food and other subjects. I think food is the only thing Terence and I have ever agreed upon back when the subject of garlic bread came up. Considering his fantasy world beliefs along with living in the past, it would be interesting to hear his imaginary view of history the way he thinks it is, or was. As for his jab status, I would sit at the far opposite end of the table being at high risk in three different ways.

Jorg... I understand, and hopefully, your situation will soon allow you enjoy a free lunch. Spring is here and summer gets closer every day... maybe some bistro action in downtown San Mateo when you are able.

Tafhdyd...

I'll take that as a guarded "yes." I feel everyone has enough to offer that we won't have to fill any lapses in the conversation with politics. We'll just have to standby until Jorg is available.

So... Ginger or Mary Ann?

Terence,

Once again, TRTRP!

Terence,

Sorry, a little correction/addition. I forgot to ask in addition to TRTRT, how are you doing with your bamboo fibers?

TY: Oh, yes, indeed, the great Trumputine who praised war criminal Putin for being a genius who could attack a non-threatening country in such a smart way, killing babies, children and pregnant women, going after hospitals, maternity wards and schools, and indiscriminately bombing the country to ruins. What an example to admire!

Taffy Relegated To Rabid Trivialities – TRTRT indeed! BTW, how is your panda pie study coming along? Remember to double mask.