Editor,

Well we need to go and share our bottles of serotonin now. Yes we need to try to help all our Trump voting friends who will now be suffering from having their Fox News bubbles breaking and are faced with some undeniable realities.

COVID-19 is real and masks will help. Human induced climate change is happening as well. No amount of clutching at their loaded firearms and flags can be of help any longer. I think we Biden voters were feeling a small dose of this depression on election night but then were relieved after the full vote count started to appear.

Yes we need to follow Biden’s advice and reach out and help our poor buddies to get the nation back on a rational track and brace ourselves to work on real issues and not the magical thinking that stood in for Trump’s make believe. Let’s all pitch in here.

Mike Caggiano

San Mateo

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Tommy Tee

Thank God, it may be finally over. Via CNN, NYTimes, and other news outlets:

President-elect Joe Biden will win Georgia

Outgoing President DonaldTrump will win North Carolina

Final electoral vote count will be:

306 for Biden

232 for Trump

Maybe Biden can start getting the daily briefings he'll sorely need to take over efficiently. And maybe the US will show up again in the international anti-Covid alliance; we've been completely absent there.

A senior federal election security official who was appointed by President Donald Trump has blasted the President's false post-election claims, calling them "baffling", "laughable" and "insulting".

Asked in an interview what he would say to Trump about the election, Ben Hovland said "these conspiracy theories that are flying around have consequences."

Terence Y

Sorry, Tommy. Fake news CNN, failing NYTimes, and other news outlets don’t get to select the president, legal votes to. Isn’t it amazing the usual TDS-folks at the DJ are so desperate to call the race, and browbeat others into agreeing the race is over when everyone knows the race isn’t over? Desperation? Insecurity?

Tommy Tee

You sound more and more like Trump every day with your "fake news" nonsense. I get it; you're in denial. It's a hard phase to shake.

Terence Y

Wow, Tommy magnanimi-Tee, thanks for the compliment comparing me to your great President Trump. I’m honored. Do you consider me presidential material? I mean, obviously, I can put together complete sentences and finish thoughts, and I’m well aware of my surroundings, unlike, well, you know? First name rhymes with Moe, last name rhymes with Hiden.

Tafhdyd

Tommy,

Was it Dandy Don Meredith that used to sing "Turn out the lights, the party's over"on Monday night football? Poor Terence will be standing in the dark on a cold night when he finally realizes that he has been duped by Donald just like all the people left in the cold after his Covid spreading rallies.

Mike Caggiano

Ray, I thought I did address your more cogent points. Those being the recognition of the new president and the transfer of power and the briefings for the new administration. As far as who was doing the best street dancing and rioting, Not being a street performer or rioter I'm the wrong guy to ask. Sorry.

Ray Fowler

Your choice for president said he wants to unify Americans. However, progressive Dems are driving hard to put divisive policies in place. When I say divisive, of course, we can assume conservatives oppose the progressive platform... but so do moderate Dems. How do you reconcile rhetoric promising unity against the implementation of a progressive agenda that is favored by a minority of the electorate? In other words, how can unify all Americans when only the wishes of a portion of Americans get a green light? You don't have to be on DWTS or sporting all black clothing while throwing Molotov cocktails to answer those questions.

Ray Fowler

Q. What could be worse than losing an old Mom?

A. Nothing

You stated that I would be ashamed if I knew why you have been kept out of social circles for 2-3 weeks. OK... shame me. What has kept you out?

Jorg

"Nothing"??? How about a child, or a wife?

Ray Fowler

Wow. Terence is correct. You certainly fail to answer direct questions.

I wrote, "You stated that I would be ashamed if I knew why you have been kept out of social circles for 2-3 weeks. OK... shame me. What has kept you out?"

Well... what kept you out?

And would share with everyone your prioritization of personal losses? In the world according to Jorg... how are parents, children and spouses ranked? Are there other categories in that prioritization?

Mike Caggiano

Wow, last I checked there were just 4 responses to the letter. I must be a star. Ha. Where to begin? I'd say to Ray to just look up the dates when Hillary conceded to Trump and then look up the transition teams and whether that went smoothly for the new administration. My read was that many offers were rebuffed when offered by the outgoing teams, but please do your due diligence on this one.

As far as future repercussions and legal troubles heading Donald's way, I'd say there will be many. Not to mention the creditors among the Russian Oligarchs he owes millions to. We will be hashing that all out for the next twenty years or so. As far as his followers, I do feel badly for them. I really think they all have been taken for a bumpy and unproductive joy ride. Sad.

Ray Fowler

Thanks for the reply, Mike

I feel your reply largely falls into the category of "non sequitar."

Could you respond to the comments (posted earlier) that follow?

When you saw images of Dems dancing in the streets... what did you see in background? Businesses boarded up because if the celebrants did not get the result they wanted, there would be riots... not peaceful protests... riots.

So, Joe Biden is declared president-elect in some quarters... OK. When that happened last week, did you see conservatives marching aggressively en masse? Did you see them looting and burning? No. Those things did not happen.

While Joe Biden may express a desire to bring Americans together, the loudest Dem voices in the room continue to deride and disparage their political counterparts. Stirring the pot is what they do best...

Jorg

What amazes me the most, Mike, is that so many find a cheater, liar and name-caller like Donald Trump good enough for the most important office in the world, an inept and unqualified p-grabber who has become a laughingstock around the world, and who now behaves like a baby who lost the pacifier on the floor. Instead, they are lying and criticizing President Obama, who rescued us after the Bush administration and handed Trump an economy he has been riding high on, an honorable man with a model family, and the most admired living man in the world for the 11th year in a row. No wonder the steadily growing majority of us are down on the bewildered Trumpsters!

Terence Y

Hey, it’s Jorg the JUNC (Jorg’s Uneducated Noxious Comments) man. The man who has brought shame to the Aadahl family. What’s next Jorg? Attacking nuns on the first Sunday in August? Attacking Jews on January 27? Attacking Christians on Christmas? Attacking disabled people during the Paralympic Games? Sad to say, I wouldn’t put it past you. In fact, you probably wouldn't wait for a specific day.

Jorg

Terence: Y you forgot praising Trumpsters for honesty, wisdom and political savvy on April 1st!

Terence Y

Sorry Jorg, I didn't want to use the day named in honor of you. Shouldn't you be attacking Mom and apple pie?

Jorg

Terence: Y don’t you realize how silly you sound, thus reinforcing the impression the majority of us have of Trumpsters, as immature, uninformed and hateful?

Ray Fowler

Jorg "You don't need to repeat the same nonsense ad nauseum... "

Terence Y

As Mr. Fowler said, thank you, Jorg, for showing readers your true self. Most of us recognize your hatred but I didn’t realize it ran so deep until today. Today you’ve revealed your ugliness for all to see. Shame on you, Jorg, for your despicable behavior in attacking veterans on Veterans Day. Since you weren’t born in America, maybe you aren't aware of what Veterans Day represents. Please educate yourself. I can only pray you learn to love yourself.

Ray Fowler

Thanks again, Terence

OK... I'll bite. What do the references to Col. Sanders mean?

Terence Y

Hi Ray. Think Colonel Harland Sanders and what he’s known for. Then think of when Jorg is challenged with valid questions and he never answers; he just continues to spew hate and hurl insults. Back on the playground, we have a word and arm gestures for that behavior.

Ray Fowler

Thanks... he does seem to scurry away at times.

Ah, Jorg... SMH

I have honestly tried to engage him in a meaningful way, but disrespecting veterans goes beyond the pale. Done and done.

Jorg

Exactly what "valid questions" have I not answered? On the other hand, why hasn't your buddy TY answered my question where he got the 65% flat tax from?

Terence Y

Jorg, as in the past, if you don’t like my flat tax number, I’ve asked you to provide another. I’m glad you agreed with the past 28% VAT (now 30%), so that's progress. If history holds, you’re going to again fold like a cheap suit and instead of providing any numbers you’ll just make another lame attempt at insulting me.

Jorg

Ray: "he does seem to scurry away at times". Even you I think would be ashamed of yourself if you knew the reason why I have been out of social circles the last 2-3 weeks. But, it fits the pattern of Trumpists, who are quick to pass judgement on things they know absolutely nothing about.

Ray Fowler

Please don't play the role of victim...

My mother passed away earlier this year. A series of medical problems for me followed. I have seen more than 16 doctors in the past eight months. I will be in a video consult later this afternoon with my endocrinologist about a malignancy that will require surgery probably very soon. That means my cardiologist will have to wait to treat clotting discovered in my heart last summer. Surgical repair of three hernias sometime in early 2021 is the least of my medical worries. 2021 is only 49 days away. I am the trustee for my mother's estate and during the past 2-3 weeks, I have had to clear out her home and 80+ years of things she treasured... then sell her home. The transfer recorded today. So, what exactly do I have to be ashamed about because you have been "out of social circles the last 2-3 weeks"?

I usually don't get angry with comments made in this forum, but I happened by the television about 30 minutes ago. A Wounded Warrior appeal was airing. It featured several brave veterans who have suffered immeasurably. Everyone of them was maimed or crippled for the rest of their lives. Then I remembered... anyone who voted for Trump is unpatriotic and un-Amercian... including veterans. Wow. Just imagine... those wounded veterans may have voted for Donald Trump... the only president in the past 40 years who has not engaged American troops in a new conflict.

Jorg

Ray: Sorry to hear about your Mom! However, that's life, and she had a pretty long life, more than most. So, to your " So, what exactly do I have to be ashamed about because you have been "out of social circles the last 2-3 weeks"? Just imagine what could be worse than losing an old Mom?

Jorg

Terence: Y such utter nonsense? The only thing I “hate” is what Trump and his blind followers have done to this country, - damage it will take Democratic administrations years to fix. I can only hope we won’t have any Republican administrations again to wreck it all, like in the past.

And, for the record, - I’m a Veteran myself, although non-combat, serving in a NATO country during the Cuban crises in '62.

Ray Fowler

All veterans deserve respect; they don't deserve to be disrespected and labeled unpatriotic and un-American for their political choices.

When you are digging a hole, the best way to get out of that hole is to stop digging...

Ray Fowler

Jorg

You have been very clear in your position... persons who voted for Trump are unpatriotic and un-American... even if those persons are veterans. Wow. Now, you are saying those persons are totally dense and uninformed... even if those persons are veterans.

Thank you for showing us the real Jorg.

Jorg

Being a Veteran doesn't protect you against being fooled by a con artist like Trump!

Ray Fowler

You have completely missed the point. Persons in this country can select any candidate of their choosing... just because you disagree with those choices does not make those persons unpatriotic and un-American (or totally dense and uninformed). Especially when those persons are vets who have made sacrifices to allow you to select the candidate of your choice. Very sad...

Ray Fowler

Jorg

Thank you for making my case. While Joe Biden has called for unity, it's apparent that many on the left, like yourself, have no desire to follow the president-elect's example. Sad.

You wrote to Terence, "You don't need to repeat the same nonsense ad nauseum... " Ironically, your characterization of Terence's response, i.e. repeating what you refer to as nonsense, seems to apply to your own commentary.

It's not OK to insult nearly 72 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump. I disagree with the 77 million persons who voted for Joe Biden, but I don't lambaste them with insults just because they chose to vote for the Democratic Party's candidate.

I spent a lot of time tactically deployed in forward operating areas to help preserve the liberties enjoyed nowhere else on this planet. More irony... those liberties include insulting the very persons who preserve those liberties on the day set aside to remember veterans.

I'm a little confused by your comment concerning "no respect" from a former part-time teacher. Are you referring to yourself as an educator? If so, I will "trump" your comment... as a former full-time teacher, I have plenty of respect for opinions from the left side and the right side of the political aisle.

Jorg

Sorry, Ray, - nothing I can do to open your eyes and realize the damage Trump has already done to this country, and what he can still do before he is booted out of an office he was ill prepared for, and which he has exclusively used for his own benefit. Let’s talk about it once we have a real president in the WH, which we also had before Trump. I’ll be here, - I hope.

And for the record: No, I don’t consider myself an educator. I was just teaching material science on the side while a graduate engineering student, - way back in history.

Ray Fowler

Straight up, Jorg... Do you believe it's OK to call a US veteran unpatriotic and un-American because he or she voted for Donald Trump?

Jorg

I didn't! Fine with me if you prefer the other choice: "totally dense and uninformed" Is that better? If you listen to Carlson, Hannity and the like on Fox, instead of MSNBC, you are.

Ray Fowler

Thanks, Terence

Ray Fowler

Hello, Mike

I understand your perspective, but I disagree with the comments made by you, today. You wrote, "Yes we need to follow Biden’s advice and reach out and help our poor buddies to get the nation back on a rational track and brace ourselves to work on real issues and not the magical thinking that stood in for Trump’s make believe. Let’s all pitch in here."

Joe Biden can say he wants to reach out, however, the words and actions of Dems and leftists (not always the same) would suggest otherwise. They challenged Donald Trump before and after the 2016 election. They would not accept the result. They called for impeachment on his first day in office. They stridently persisted in using false information generated by the DNC to question the legitimacy of Donald's Trump's presidency for more than two years. They challenged him at every turn in the courts just because they could and sometimes frivolously.

Dems were dancing in the street celebrating Joe Biden's victory remarks. He said, as you pointed out, he wants to unite the country... even as some leftists were calling for reconciliation commissions to punish prominent Trump supporters and to make sure those who worked in the Trump administration remain unemployed.

Now, Dems like yourself cannot be held responsible for the criminality of Antifa and conservatives cannot be held responsible for the vileness perpetuated by white supremacists... but such calls for punishment are coming from the left's mainstream.

When you saw images of Dems dancing in the streets... what did you see in background? Businesses boarded up because if the celebrants did not get the result they wanted, there would be riots... not peaceful protests... riots.

So, Joe Biden is declared president-elect in some quarters... OK. When that happened last week, did you see conservatives marching aggressively en masse? Did you see them looting and burning? No. Those things did not happen.

While Joe Biden may express a desire to bring Americans together, the loudest Dem voices in the room continue to deride and disparage their political counterparts. Stirring the pot is what they do best...

(I returned late yesterday from SoCal and submitted much of the above commentary to a discussion that followed a letter similar to your latest LTE. I would be interested in hearing your response to my comments. Thanks.)

Tafhdyd

Hello Ray,

I am a bit late to the party and after reading the comments on both sides there is not a lot for me to add. We have discussed most of the same issues at length before and we disagree on our reasons for support or non-support of Trump and his administration.

I know a few of the people in the comment section won’t believe me but when Trump was elected I was willing to give him a chance to see how he would do. I, and many others thought that once he realized the importance and seriousness of the most powerful position in the world he may not take it as a reality show gig. How wrong we were.

He never wanted to be President, just wanted the hype and publicity and to see his name in the headlines everyday. Once he realized the power he had he used it to hold sway over others, both foreign and domestic to line his pockets and extract favors for himself, of which there are too many to mention in this short comment which is already too long.

I think if he even tried to be presidential more people would have given him a better chance rather than jump on the “hang him high” bandwagon. The only time he looked presidential recently was in the last debate with Biden and that was probably because they had fish hooks on his family jewels with a long string and if he even started to stray into one of his rants they would yank on it.

As for your tours of duty I think you served after me. I was in from '65 to '69 during Vietnam but managed to stay away from the jungle. Most of my time was in the Antarctic and Arctic, a bit cold but better than the alternative.

Ray Fowler

Hi, Tafhdyd

Good to hear from you. I appreciate that you presumed positive intent in early 2017, and I understand how your current frame of mind has developed. I kinda feel the same way about early 2021, but with the Democrat schism widening almost on a daily basis, we may be in for disappointment. We'll see.

I enjoy trading punches... figuratively... with you. I could disagree with everything you have to say... and if I did... it would not change my feeling that you are a good person.

The constant screed... anyone who supports Trump is uneducated, un-American, yada, yada, yada is getting very, very old.

Insulting veterans? I guess the only thing I can say to that is, "Get off my lawn!"

Yes, my time in the service followed yours. I flew against the Evil Empire and some non-allied Middle Eastern opponents, then later against PRK and PRC targets. My bags were packed for the Gulf, but the call did not come. I have enormous respect for the guys and gals who followed me into that region. They are my heroes. I want them to come home.

So, to label anyone who served as unpatriotic or un-American because they did not vote for Joe Biden is insulting. Even in this time of us vs them, red vs blue, etc. I'm guessing Joe himself would not call a veteran unpatriotic or un-American just because that vet voted Republican.

Tafhdyd

Ray,

What is this world coming to? I think we are on the same page again. Yes, we served and others are serving now so we can disagree. Have a nice evening.

Terence Y

Mr. Amaral – I honor and thank you for your service.

Tafhdyd

Terence, I appreciate your thoughts. Thanks

Terence Y

That’s funny, Mr. Caggiano - why didn’t you follow that advice years ago when your great President Trump took office? Instead we have TDS-infected folks who have been ranting and raving for the past four years and now you think they’ll change their habits because they think brain-dead Biden is in office. We don’t need to worry about the Covid cooties, we need to worry about the TDS-infected, as TDS has been running rampant for over four years. BTW, the election isn’t over – the full count is not final. Let’s see if you follow your own advice when Trump wins another four years. My prediction is your hypocrisy will again be in full display.

Tafhdyd

That's funny Terence, you have some imagination. Are you a sci-fi writer or fantasy writer in your day job?

Terence Y

Grandpa Taffy - thanks for asking. I have done some writing, and definitely a lot of reading, but even I can’t fathom how you’ve bought into the Republican to Democrat Party switcheroo fantasy that you keep trying to pass off as fact. Now that's funny. You do realize that Freaky Friday was just a movie, don’t you?

Tommy Tee

Good Morning Terence--just wondering what you thing about this from Trump's own people: The November 3rd election was the “most secure in American history” and “there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” according to a statement from the Department of Homeland Security’s (DHS) Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA). The statement follows numerous claims of supposed election fraud by President Donald Trump and his allies.

Terence Y

Good morning, Tommy. I haven’t heard that, but it doesn’t change anything. Investigations are ongoing and until it’s over, it’s not over. The DHS-CISA doesn’t elect presidents, legal votes do. I wouldn’t be surprised if the statement is coming from another swamp creature. Who has gone on record in supporting the statement? Obviously not Trump. Democrats - yes? Republicans - no? Does this guy, or gal, still have their job for jumping the gun and trying to undermine the legal process? I’m betting if so, not for much longer. Drain the swamp!

Tommy Tee

It's all over the news--surprised you haven't seen it. You'll also see that the law firm leading President Donald Trump’s legal effort to challenge the results of Pennsylvania’s election abruptly withdrew from his campaign’s marquee case late Thursday. I agree--Drain The Swap of Pompeo, Navarro, Meadows, Kudlow, DeVos, DeJoy, Barr, Kayleigh, Kellyanne, Atlas, Carson...

Terence Y

Hi Tommy - I don’t frequent lamestream news unless Trump triggers them and I can watch them sputter with outrage, so that’s probably why I haven’t seen it. The lamestream outlets only create or perpetuate fake news with a TDS-bias. As for a law firm withdrawing, just noise, it doesn’t change anything. Law firms don’t select presidents, legal votes do. Meanwhile, more illegitimate votes are being identified which will likely change the results promoted by fake news outlets.

Tafhdyd

Terence,

It is time to throw in the towel while you can still save face. There is no need to go down with the sinking SS Trump. Not only the info that Tommy gave you is correct but Sheldon Adelson who gave over $75 million to the Trump campaign in the last months even told him to pack it in and quit with the conspiracy of voter fraud. He said it was hurting the credibility of the few Republicans that still had some.

One other item you may have missed in the news is that Scotland is going to investigate Trump for money laundering in connection with the Turnberry club and hold him accountable. Oh the problems of being a mob boss when your mob is incompetent.

Terence Y

Interesting, Grandpa Taffy, it sounds like you’re trying more to convince yourself Trump lost, even though he hasn’t, than you are in convincing me. Desperation? The lamestream media doesn’t elect the president, legal votes do. And if Republicans are hurting, why did Republicans win more Congressional seats? Hmm, your supposed facts don’t jive with reality - similar to your Republican to Democrat party switcheroo myth. Since you’re into myths, happy Friday the 13th!

Tafhdyd

Terence,

I will give you one more chance. If the voter fraud exists like you say it does why did down ballot Republicans hold there own and gain a few positions? If the fraud was there the fraudsters would not have voted for down ballot Republicans, they would have voted for Democrats along with our next President Biden and Vice-President Harris.

Terence Y

Ooh, Grandpa Taffy, one more chance? Of what, I’m not sure? Maybe you should read up on voter fraud and the myriad ways it can be achieved. Off the top of my head, illegal ballots are submitted for only one candidate – plenty of evidence. Don’t forget your favorite method - dead people voting. Again, plenty of evidence. Sorry, but your argument is specious. C’mon man, you’re better than that.

Cindy Cornell

The magical thinking continues, with support from those who know better but can't seem to stop sucking up to this sore loser we have as a president.

Dirk van Ulden

Cindy, I don't seem to remember you calling Hilary Clinton a sore loser? I must have missed one of your classy reactions.

Jorg

Cindy: After all the damage Trump has done, and all we have seen from this childish, inept and incompetent character, how in the world can anyone in his or her right mind still support him? I think the answer is crystal clear: No one, - unless, of course, you are unpatriotic, un-American, totally dense and uninformed, or a foreign enemy of our country, like Putin and other dictators that prefer Trump because he is so easy to fool and manipulate.

Tommy Tee

Yep--he sure is determined to destroy our great country in the next 70 days. He must hate America.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg

Hmmm... I choose to refrain from using divisive and offensive descriptions of those who disagree with my point of view. You and I have had this discussion before...

Yes, referring to politicians in an insulting manner seems to be de rigueur for many on the left... and the right. However, insulting the followers of said politicians is unfair and divisive. Secretary Clinton's reference to a "basket of deplorables" is a good example of how such derisive comments can energize a political base. Hillary Clinton's reference almost certainly played into the 2016 election in a way that hurt her chances for election.

I am not angered by your comments... I am saddened. While I remain disappointed in last week's election outcome, I don't consider myself "unpatriotic, un-American, totally dense and uninformed" just because I do not embrace your personal political philosophy.

Your comments are particularly disappointing to me personally... especially today. As a veteran with 10 years active duty plus 16 years service as a reservist, to be called unpatriotic and un-American is hurtful.

Some of the left leaning contributors to this forum have noted that President-elect Biden wants to bring unity to our country. How do your divisive comments support his desire to do so?

I asked Mike, the reader who submitted the above LTE, to respond to my comments. I don't know if he will. I would be interested in what you have to say about those remarks.

Jorg

Ray: If “none of the above”, how do you explain your apparent blind support for such an unpresidential, childish name-caller like Trump, an obvious security risk, an habitual liar and a cheater who couldn’t even take the SAT on his own? No respect from this former part-time teacher!

Terence Y

Mr. Fowler – I honor and thank you for your service.

Terence Y

Hey, it’s my buddy Jorg, with another JUNC (Jorg’s Usual Negative Claptrap) comment. I guess Jorg is still melting, and rightly so, because brain-dead Biden has not yet won. Welcome back, Jorg. I hope you got some rest. I just wish your TDS and hate for America took a rest, but that’s a mighty tall order. However, I’ll continue to look outside for pigs flying.

Jorg

Terence Why: You don't need to repeat the same nonsense ad nauseum, - we know you are an incurable Trumpster.

Terence Y

Jorg: You don’t need to repeat your hate-filled rants – we know you have an incurable case of TDS. Instead of hate, you can educate. You can spend some time explaining why you're qualified to lecture us about racism even though your home country is 95% non-black. Or explaining why Americans should pay a 65% flat tax and 30% VAT to support brain-dead Biden’s socialist plan. BTW, did Colonel Sanders catch you? Is that why you've been scarce?

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