A reader responded to my Thanksgiving week column asking why I would “inject my gratuitous intimate life into the conversation.”

Craig Wiesner

My first reaction was wondering how soon I could get a T-shirt printed with “Ask Me About My So-Called Gratuitous Intimate Life” on it. The column was about many of the things I am thankful for, including my husband Derrick (who asked me why I hadn’t included his name in the column and I said I only get 800 words), and our dog Holly, and our evening routine with her snuggling next to me until Derrick gives her a cookie to get her off the bed. Is that too intimate to share? I was gratified to see a column by a fellow writer, Mike Nagler, the next day, where he shared some pretty intimate details of life with his wife JoAnneh. No response to his column about gratuitous intimate details appeared. Hmmm.

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(20) comments

Jorg

What a brave, honest and personal column, Craig, in sharp contrast to so many narrow-minded, uneducated and often hateful contributions to the DJ opinion page! You will never know how many you have helped and encouraged today, including friends of my own family, both single ones and in partnership, to whom I’ll be happy to forward your piece. When will we learn to accept one another, regardless of skin color, background, religion or lack thereof, and yes, personal feelings. On behalf of so many I know, - thank you, Craig!

Dirk van Ulden

Ah - the Gringe Jorg is back! Another doozy.

Not So Common

Jorg, and when will you learn to accept people who offer and have different opinions without insult? Merry Christmas

Dirk van Ulden

Craig - thank you for a column that has clearly been a subject of your discomfort with my comment. I understand that your relationship is consistent with the law of the land. Since you frequently mention that we should accept one another without prejudice, you will agree that it was, and is still not, easy for everyone to accept such a marriage and then be at risk being called a homophobe. My comment was directed at your intimate bedroom activity which I feel even today is gratuitous in the context of an otherwise fine article. I bear no hard feelings toward you and I always appreciate your well-written, thoughtful columns. Merry Christmas!

Westy

Yes, you are homophobic. I understand that there is a sense in which accepting the full humanity of some who you consider to be "other" would overturn your entire world view, but it's sad. Also, sadly, you are not being truthful. There was no mention of intimate bedroom activity, you made that up in your head. I reflect on a time in junior high school when we found out that one of our teachers was married to another teacher and immediately began trying to picture them being intimate.

Dirk van Ulden

Westy - apparently you did not pay attention in your English classes. I did not make it up as he stated his activity, however discreet, in his article. You can call me anything you want because I know who I am and I am not worried about your vapid opinions. Call me homophobic if I happen to believe, along with most of mankind, that a marriage is between a biological man and a biological woman. Just because some have a different view in this screwy State and certain parts of the world, that does not define it differently elsewhere. Your view would not be tolerated in the GAZA and the West Bank even though you ilk is screaming for freeing Palestine.

Jorg

Dirk: You are the one who should look up the meaning of homophobic, not Westy. Your fantasy also led you astray when you claim personal details neither Westy, nor I or any other non-homophobic person would find. I wouldn’t be surprised if you also have a hang-up against civil marriages, which would include all in my family, as well as two friends of my son, a happy union I was asked to officiate. Yes, they are still married, thank you, with two, very bright kids.

Westy

Jorg: Yes, thank you. Dirk seems compelled to comment on, and disparage, Craig's happy marriage every single time Craig uses the word husband in one of his columns Craig: You rock! It gives me joy every time you mention your husband.

Dirk: Don't like same-sex marriage, don't have one! But don't go around bashing other people with your homophobia. Marriage is such a blessing, to be able to declare that this is my family, and to get all the attendant rights with a simple ceremony is a miracle that I never thought we would see in my lifetime. It pains me that there are still so many hateful people ready to bash other people's joy and portray them as less than.

Dirk van Ulden

Westy ???? - "It pains me that there are still so many hateful people ready to bash other people's joy and portray them as less than." Disagreement is not the same as hate. I don't hate and nobody is going to force me to agree. And, I have not been as disparaging in my comments as you and your cohort Jorg which do, BTW, border on hate. Where have you determined that I am condescending and a killjoy? I don't think Craig needs you at all, he knows who he and is not in need of shallow, meaningless comments.

Jorg

What on Earth do you mean, me full of hate?

All I share is the truth, even too late!

Yes, both Hitler and Trump

belong in a dump!

With Trump worse than a sump!

He cheats and he lies,

and help foreign spies!

What a sorry excuse,

still running loose.

He belongs in a cell,

Which would suit us all so well!

So, Happy New Year to all,

commentators big and small!

Jorg

Westy: Instead of leaving a faithful, friendly, honest and happily married couple alone, he blindly admires a hateful, dishonest, and so-far twice-divorced habitual rapist! Yeah, makes lots of sense. Cult sense.

Jorg

Westy: You are so right! Same-sex marriage is like abortion: if you don't like it, don't have one! Simple as that, and don't be so uptight about others! None of your business!

anartistrygirl

I’d like to holler a shout-out for the right of every couple to share the loveliness of being in a partnership, whether it’s dancing close in the living room together or snuggling up with our dogs at the end of the day. And—yes—Craig’s point about the prejudice against sharing “gratuitous intimate life” details is well-founded, the underlying the assumption that people who are gay should keep their lives to themselves, as if the sharing of such lives would muddy the waters of our culture. He’s right—it’s just wrong to impose a “be quiet about that” ethic on couples. Period. But there’s a finer point, and that is, intimacy-resistance and intimacy-phobia threads through our whole culture. Gay, straight, or other. My husband and I are often singled out as a couple who shouldn’t be talking about our love life, our closeness. If I think about this politically, it’s the arc of why so many folks line up on the constraining side of sexual politics. Early in my adulthood I ran a family planning clinic, and what was so telling about that experience was parents’ relationship to their young adults’ sexuality. Parents would often control where their kids went to school, who their kids hung out with, what their kids chose for a career—even sometimes who their grown kid was “allowed” to marry—but they could not, for the life of them, control who their kid was aroused and moved by. And it often drove them nuts, trying to impose their own ethic on another human being. That control issue absolutely carries over into peoples’ ideas of who gets to love and who gets to be open about it. But the truth is, everyone has the right to their own sensual arc. We were invented that way: as unique and individual human beings, moved by love in the ways we’re moved. I feel that intimacy is often under a shroud in our society—even in the midst of so much internet permissiveness—so much so, that in our daily lives, there’s a recoiling of recognizing that couples are sexual and intimate, and should be, as it’s what binds us. It’s what we share with each other that we don’t share with the rest of the world. So, whether it’s the prejudice of streaming shows that feature the twenty-somethings as sexual, and the fifty-somethings as beyond that arc; whether it’s the ageist idea that our mother doesn’t have the right to another intimate relationship after our father dies; or whether it’s a prejudice that—gay or straight—we shouldn’t be talking in public about being close with our husband or wife, all of it is a stamping out of the glue that keeps us sweet on each other. There’s that old adage we used to repeat in our twenties, “If every couple was having more sex, the world would be a much more peaceful place.” And though that was said in jest, there’s something under that: that intimacy is good. It’s good for our couple-ships, it’s good for our hearts and bodies, it’s a closeness that reaches beyond the edge of the bed and permeates all of our days. And that makes it good for our culture. We’re blessed to have it, we’re blessed to build it and nurture those fires through the decades that lead us to devotion. Its presence in our culture should be celebrated, not invisibilized.

Love is love is love is love. Partners hold each other up and highlight each other, cuddle with each other and dance close in the living room. That’s love. And we’re lucky to live in a time where we have the right and the privilege to share who we are—no matter what our orientation or backgrounds or explorations.

Jorg

Very well put, anartistrygirl! I have happily lived up to the ideal you advocate, including letting my own kids develop naturally, both when choosing friends, with no regard for sexual orientation, what personal passions and interests to pursue, whether to be interested in religion or not, what to study, where to study, and whom to marry, with absolutely no interference from my wife or myself. No one could possibly argue about the results!

Dirk van Ulden

That is all very nice but my point is, and will be, that a marriage is between a biological man and a biological woman. Marriage and intimacy are not necessarily congruent as you made quite clear in your lengthy epistle.

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Dirk van Ulden

Jorg - it was the original Marriage Act. There are exceptions to all rules and you are a splendid example.

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Jorg

Dirk: In what sense am I an exception?

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Jorg

Not so common:

Where on flat Earth did you get that nonsense from? I have been happily married for almost 50 years, with the greatest wife a man could ever dream of!

Ray Fowler

Acceptance and sharing love with others is entirely appropriate today... actually, it is a core value that should guide us every day.

Today, we celebrate the birth of someone who brought a message of loving others unconditionally... a unique message that was unlike any principle, prophecy or preaching before or after his time.

Now that it is our time... we would do well to keep that two-thousand-year-old message in our hearts wherever life takes us and share it with everyone we meet.

NancyG

Thank you Craig, for lifting up love and true partnership. Many blessings and Happy New Year to you and your family.

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