Editor,

Ed Kahl’s Sept. 14 letter in the Daily Journal reads more like a fever-dream than a reasoned argument. By contrast:

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Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Mr. D'Afflisio,

Your storytelling challenges the likes of Maureen Dowd. I enjoyed it and want to thank you for the opportunity to tell a different story. For the sake of argument, I write the following...

1) Does anyone believe the riots across our nation in 2020 occurred spontaneously? If not, who ordered them and why? Why were businesses boarding up in the event President Trump managed to win re-election? Why were historical monuments destroyed and government buildings set ablaze? Need I go on? I have not seen any evidence to indicate MAGA supporters could behave in such a fashion, have you?

2) Where in Mr. Kahl's LTE does he write 2022 or 2024?

3) As recent history has proven, our laws and prosecution of criminals are open to interpretation.

4) Who is consuming the news matters, not how many. Of those, executives consuming "conservative" outlets would logically not donate to the organizations in the riot headlines. Executives are the also the ones that decide if non-followers of the cause célèbre du jour continue feeding their families and paying bills. Need I mention the effect Twitter and Facebook had in recent elections? I think we can agree they favored the DNC more than RNC.

8) While we might agree on this one, I am cautious not discount the possible effect modern entertainment has on the electorate.

edkahl

Copy of Ed Kahl's letter for readers reference:

Democrats are a far greater authoritarian threat to our government than Republicans because they wield far more power to propagate their “message” in the press, media and education.

Democrats need only win the presidency, a majority in the house and 60 votes in the Senate to pack the Supreme Court, end the filibuster and give 5 million noncitizens the right to vote. We would then become a tyranny of the majority, which our founders fought mightily to avoid. As with all one party authoritarian governments the possibility of armed conflicts would increase as they did in 2021 with the Antifa riots that occupied many cities, killed 23 people and destroyed $2.7 billion in property with hardly a peep from leading Democrats. Democrats better hope they don’t get what they wish for. We can not maintain our freedoms without a viable two-party system of government.

edkahl

One would have to be living under a rock not to know the vast majority of news in America favors the leftist views of the Democrat party. The media and press makes no effort to separate their political opinion from news articles.

The Dems passed Obama Care with a 60-39 vote and could do the same to eliminate the filibuster. This would lead to packing the court and granting citizenship to non-citizens. We would become a permanent one party authoritarian regime with no check and balances on the party in power.

Westy

I suggest you come to this conclusion because you confuse "leftist views" with fact-based reality. You seem to be steeped in "alternative facts" (i.e. lies). For example, most Americans like the Affordable Care Act (ACA aka ObamaCare) and do not want it to go away. We don't like seeing loved ones suffer or die from lack of access to medical care.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Westy,

Once again you can thank those nasty Republicans. You're welcome.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/obamacare/mccain-hated-obamacare-he-also-saved-it-n904106

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Westy,

Please provide a link to the reason you claim most Americans like the ACA. I have searched and found none.

edkahl

I just using it as and example of the Senate passing something on 60 votes.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Ed, that was understood by some of us.

Ray Fowler

Sorry, Westy... leftist views are often the furthermost thing from fact based reality. The progressive wing of the Democratic Party has hijacked the rest of the party. For them, it's not about what most Americans like... it's about their radical agenda. Even though most Americans support voter ID laws, according to progressives, you are racist if you do. Even though most Americans support a secure border, according to progressives, you are anti-immigrant if you do. Progressives are not about compassion... they are about dependency and the control they can wield if they are successful in creating the illusion they are acting in the interest of the people. They're not... they're acting in their own self interest.

edkahl

I wasn't objecting to Obama care passing - it was just an example to show the Senate could muster 60 votes to eliminate the filibuster, pack the Supreme court, give non-citizens thevote.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Westy,

Have you steeped long enough in your own version of "alternative facts" about ..."most Americans like the Affordable Care Act..."? Let's move on...

To be sure, it is because we don't like seeing loved ones suffer or die from lack of access to medical care that most Americans wanted to keep the federal government out of the health care system. BTW, I contend the ACA was created to shift the model and funding of the health insurance industry.

Tafhdyd

Wilfred,

I saw your question the other day about asking Westy for her source for people liking the ACA. At the time I wasn't feeling up to getting into the discussion but I did take a quick look for evidence of the level of popularity, or lack thereof, of the ACA. As long as you are back on the subject I thought I would pass along a few links I came across. You mentioned you didn't find any when you looked but I didn't have any problem. Maybe we use different search criteria or search engines. I am not trying to do Westy's homework but I thought I would represent the left side of the aisle. On the comment that you think the ACA was to change the model and funding of the health insurance industry. Are you saying that is a bad idea or just saying? Stay warm up north!

https://khn.org/news/why-do-people-hate-obamacare-anyway/

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/10-ways-aca-improved-health-care-past-decade/

https://news.gallup.com/poll/287297/americans-approval-aca-holds-steady.aspx

https://www.kff.org/interactive/kff-health-tracking-poll-the-publics-views-on-the-aca/#?response=Favorable--Unfavorable&aRange=twoYear&total

Ray Fowler

Hey, Tafhdyd

I emailed you a very, very long response. Check it out. We can paste anything from those remarks to this site. Your call.

Enjoy the weekend, buddy

Ray Fowler

Tafhdyd...

OK… opening up the abortion can o’ worms. Most white Protestants, black protestants, and Catholics support abortion in all or most cases. It’s only the white Evangelicals who say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. They are 23% of the Republican Party.

Graham’s abortion bill? I’m not a fan of the Senator… he’s too partisan for my tastes. He is proposing a 15-week abortion restriction. That’s the same standard you will find in most of Europe. He’s added exceptions for rape, incest, and the health of the mother. When this issue was debated in the DJ comments section about three months ago, I asked where we should draw the line for abortions upon demand… the left side of the aisle was silent.

DeSantis. While I don’t think flying migrants to Martha’s Vineyard was a political stunt, I’m certain he did it to make a point. The border policy is failing and that policy has caused hundreds of migrant deaths, it has allowed a couple of million people to cross the border without visible means of support, and it has permitted an influx of dangerous drugs which is killing thousands of Americans.

The left’s response? A liberal Dukes County commissioner said last year he would “love” for Martha’s Vineyard to become a “haven” for migrants. DeSantis gave the commissioner an opportunity to fulfill his haven dream, and he responded by calling DeSantis a “fascist.” DeSantis claims the Venezuelan migrants flown to Martha’s Vineyard agreed to the move. The migrants then reportedly agreed to move to Joint Base Cape Cod. I say… if we can agree DeSantis may have been dabbling in political theater, we should also agree the left has responded in kind.

Compassion… opening the border to suffering and death is compassionate but flying migrants to a place where locals say they want to be a haven for hose migrants is dispassionate?

Should I add anything else from the long version?

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Tafhdyd,

I'm happy to see you posting. You have my gratitude for the links. Only the last one, conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation, was taken in 2022. That poll asked, “As you may know, a health reform bill was signed into law in 2010. Given what you know about the health reform law, do you have a generally favorable or generally unfavorable opinion of it?”. That most definitely does not corroborate Westy's claims.

I don't know if the model and funding of health insurance needed to be changed. But I do know of a multi-billion-dollar corporation that paid millions of dollars to research its business model going forward. It was determined that paying for employee health insurance was among the things that had to go. So, I suppose it did need to be changed.

In any case, at the time the ACA was being debated, most people were against the federal government taking control of 1/6 of the nation's economy. The arguments against such a takeover can be provided should you care to consider them. In the end, our SCOTUS did not agree with those of us opposing the ACA on a Constitutional basis. But that does not change the fact that the ACA was sold to Americans with lies and accomplished few if any of the stated goals. And I will bet most Americans don't know if the ACA is an improvement. Because most of them don't get to use the new plan.

Ray Fowler

Wilfred

It's tough to get over Barack Obama's promises that health care costs would decrease and that Americans would be able to keep their preferred doctors and health plans.

It may be even tougher to get over comments made by Barack's ACA architect, MIT professor Jonathan Gruber. Re: getting the ACA through Congress, the professor remarked, “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage," and, “Call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.” He added that he didn't really care about lying as long as the ACA got through Congress.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Hello Ray,

I don't know if you have seen this before. I thought it was worth my time. Check out the video interview with Chuck Todd.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/11/13/obamacare_architect_genetic_lottery_winners_have_been_paying_an_artificially_low_price.html

Ray Fowler

Thanks, Wilfredo

In addition to the Obama administration's use of smoke and mirrors to sell the ACA, the administration had to ensure the ACA was not considered a tax by the CBO. Wait... do you mean the left side of the body politic was uniformed and gullible? Are you saying they were easily fooled? Are you saying someone lied? Perish the thought!!

Ray Fowler

Amigo!

Unlikely you will see any response from Westy...

It's funny... our colleagues on the left side of the aisle are fond of labeling posts as "whataboutism" when they are either unwilling or unable to craft a response.

So... here we go... here comes something one of our friends may want to label as "whataboutism." Westy tells us that she and others on the left care so much for people that they don't want to see suffering and death. OK... what about... the migrants suffering and dying while trying to cross the left's open border? What about their own countrymen suffering and dying as a result of an unchecked flood of persons crossing the border illegally and bringing dangerous drugs into the US?

You know, it's really not "whataboutism" at all. It is about denying the hard left an opportunity to create more dependence in the name of compassion. We've seen recently (Martha's Vineyard) that when it actually comes to alleviating suffering and providing care... the left's compassion kinda goes out with the tide.

Tafhdyd

Ray,

You mention "whataoutisms". Just for the heck of it, what about the evangelical right that are so pro-life and anti abortion that they are trying to pass laws to ban abortion under any circumstance, even when medically necessary because the fetus is non viable. The same pro life right wing bunch that are happy as a pig in slop when they bomb the daylights out of some country killing thousands. I guess once people are born they are fair game.

Not sure which news source you were watching. When the Republican side show lied to the migrants telling them they were sending them to Boston and had jobs and housing for them and then dumped them in front of a church in Marthas Vineyard the locals got clothing and food for them and helped put them in touch with the authorities to try and remedy the situation. Some of the migrants that have been sent to far off lands like New York, D.C. etc have been processed initially at the border and have ben assigned a time to return to plead their asylum case. Knowing this, the likes of DeSantis and Abbott have purposely sent them away knowing they won't be able to get back for their appointed time and then will be declared unwanted and can be deported. Is that the kind of compassion you are thinking of?

Ray Fowler

Hey, Tafhdyd...

I just saw your post but I am out the door... will get back to you. Promise.

Two thoughts as I am grabbing my car keys... You may be referencing the far right pro life fringe that say "No" to abortion for any reason. They are IMO the counterweight to the far left fringe that say abortion upon request at any time. So, "what about" those two extremes? Secondly, red state governors are preventing persons crossing the border from keeping their appointments with the feds? I think a lot of those folks don't need any help skipping those appointments.

Ciao of now!

SMpool

Note the MAGA talking points in the comments. BLM. Antifa. Biden bashing. Faux News has done its job: no mention of January 6, including attacks on Congress and law enforcement by TFG supporters, the attempted overthrow of our democracy, and the sinking into conspiracy theories and Qanon salutes of the radical right in thrall to a conman, misogynist and grifter. We can only hope the Democrats prevail in 2022 and 2024 or our country will fall, as others have, to an authoritarian leader and government.

Dirk van Ulden

Whoever you are SMpool - these are not MAGA talking points but clips from leftist newspaper articles. Oblivion is no excuse, Mister/Mam! The louder you yell about the overthrow of Democracy please look at what your WH and its politicized DOJ and FBI are doing to you and me.

Jorg

Dirk: Sorry, I haven’t noticed anything that the WH, DOJ and FBI are doing to me, except that I was ashamed before President Biden took over, when they also stopped being “politicized”. Can you explain what you mean, and how exactly you have been hurt, although I do understand you may feel bad and fooled by all Trump’s crimes being exposed. Would you feel better if all was hushed down, and not made public? Perhaps you might feel better if you just stopped defending the indefensible?

Dirk van Ulden

Jorg - I'll make an exception in responding to you. Can you think of a single political individual who was persecuted by the Trump administration's DOJ? Biden's cabal has done nothing but arresting or harassing Trump supporters. They use the Jan 6 Committee in an attempt to justify arrests and jail time without conviction. Several high level Trump cabinet members have been arrested and then let go for specious reasons. Since Biden has not done anything to you personally, remember what the Nazis did and what a prominent Protestant official said: They came for the Jews but I am not a Jew, then they came for the Catholics and the Roma, but I am not either one of them; then they came for me and it was too late. He died in a camp. Once Biden called Trump supporters a threat to Democracy, even you must have shuddered with disbelief.

Tafhdyd

Dirk,

Just to refresh your memory about the saying that "Birds of a feather flock together", here are a few of Trump's best. You may notice that they are all criminals.

George Papadopoulos . (Trump campaign foreign policy advisor): Indicted. Guilty plea. Jail sentence. ·  Paul Manafort (Trump Campaign Chair): Indicted. Guilty verdict and plea deal. Jail sentence. ·  Rick Gates (Trump campaign aide and political advisor): Indicted. Guilty plea. Jail sentence. ·  Michael Flynn (Trump National Security Advisor): Indicted. Guilty plea. Sentencing deferred. Charges later dropped by Trump administration. ·  Michael Cohen (Trump Org VP and personal counsel to Donald Trump): Indicted. Guilty plea. Jail sentence. Early release due to COVID-19. ·  Roger Stone (Trump political consultant): Indicted. Guilty verdict on all counts. Jail sentence. Commuted prior to serving and later pardoned by Trump. *  Steve Bannon (Former White House Chief Strategist): Guilty of Conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering-Contempt of Conress. Pardoned by Trump -Charged for State Crimes-Awaiting Trial results.  Rudy Giulliani (Trump legal counsel): Law license suspended in N.Y. and D.C. Currently under federal and state investigations. ·  Allen Weisselberg (Trump Org CFO): Indicted. Guilty plea. Awaiting sentencing. ·  Donald Trump (former POTUS): Currently under federal and state investigations. (300+"Classified" Documents Stolen/Mishandled---67 "Confidential"---92 "Secret"---25 "TOP Secret") (Docs: 48 Empty "Classified" Folders - 42 Empty Folders marked "Return to Staff or Military Aide”)

Ray Fowler

Hey, Tafhdyd

And the last shall be first... you know I would like to see the RNC select someone other than DJT in 2024, but with respect to documents seized by the FBI at Mar-a-Lago, should we wait until the Special Master makes comment on them?

Re: the list of folks who crossed the feds and the DNC... anyone in hot water over Russian collusion? Anyone in hot water over the events of Jan. 6?

Jorg

Dirk: There is a simple reason: Trump surrounded himself with criminals. President Biden has not.

Westy

Trump considered the DOJ and FBI as his tools to use to punish political enemies: He very publically called on the DOJ to investigate James Comey, Andrew McCabe, Peter Stzrok, Lisa Page, Sec of State John Kerry, Sen Elizabeth Warren, Chuch Schumer, Nancy Pelosi. He demanded Hilary Clinton be pursued for treason, further noting that "treason is punishable by death." The President is supposed to stay out of DOJ decisions. We never before had a president in our history who made statements of this kind in public. (Nixon had the decency to do it in private.)

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Westy,

Don't forget that President Obama was accused of using his wing man and tax collector to go after the Tea Party and reporters. Let's not forget Clinton's distractions preventing him from using government resources to take out Bin Laden. But hey, chasing skirt is more fun the terrorists. So who can blame him, right? LMAO

Are you ready to play with Mr. Fowler yet?

Dirk van Ulden

Westy - the difference is that none of those accused were ever charged but should have. Trump had already lost control of the corrupt DOJ and the FBI. Comey, Stzrok and Page would have been in jail for their offenses if they had been Trump supporters. They lied under oath before Congress and nothing stuck. Surprised??

Ray Fowler

Good evening, Westy

With respect to DJT calling for the investigation of DOJ officials for malfeasance, nonfeasance, and misfeasance... you wrote, "We never before had a president in our history who made statements of this kind in public."

Are you sure?

Well, there was a chief executive who wanted to hang his vice president. If you care to research this point, you will find scholars don’t question “if” a president, Andrew Jackson, said he regretted not hanging his vice president, John C. Calhoun, but there is some disagreement concerning “when” that comment was made. However, there is no debate about their political affiliation… both were members of the Democratic Party. And there is no debate about another fact re: their personal histories… they both owned slaves while in office.

willallen

Re "control of media": What is the party affiliation of reporters? Bet they are Democrats, not that there is anything wrong with that as long as they are doing a good job and are aware of any bias. Used to be that way when we had two major distributor and gatherer of news - UPI, which hit the financial iceberg decades ago, and AP, which, with the demise of UPI, inherited a virtual monopoly.

edkahl

Thank you for your reply - see my posing above.

Dirk van Ulden

Ahem - the Democrats supported and /or ignored the riots in the streets perpetrated by their own militia as in the BLM and Antifa. Even candidate Harris helped bail out one of these miscreants. There was real blood and mayhem in the streets as opposed to a threat thereof. "Democrats have not threatened riots, blood in the streets", What is worse, real activity or threatened activity?

Tafhdyd

Dirk,

You should fact check your right wing talking points. Kamala Harris did not bail out or contribute to the release of one of these miscreants as you say. It is not hard. Several sources will clarify it.

Dirk van Ulden

Only your sources will clarify it. The main stream media ignored it just like all other scandals surrounding this Democrat cabal.

Terence Y

Taffy, many would say that Harris’s promotion and urging to support the Minnesota Freedom Fund is a contributing action, and as such, she contributed to the release of more than one miscreant. Many more sources will clarify it so I’ll rate Mr. van Ulden’s assertion as true. Now if you would be so kind as to address Mr. van Ulden’s other facts…

Ray Fowler

Kamala Harris tweeted on June 1, 2020, "If you’re able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota."

More than 90% of the "mostly peaceful" protesters did not need bail assistance. Later, the MFF did help some very dangerous folks get out of jail.

edkahl

Thank you for your reply - see my posting above.

Terence Y

Sorry T. D’Afflisio, you seem to have forgotten about Democrats endorsing riots and blood in the streets by the murder and mayhem caused by Antifa and BLM thugs. Let’s not forget your so-called “leader” who shakes hands with invisible people. Enough said. BTW, great job, Mr. Kahl. You may win the award for the most cited letter.

edkahl

Thank you - see my reply in the postings.

Jorg

Ed: Stop your pointless "thank yous"! What a sneaky way to boost the number of comments!

Make a comment if you have something of value to say and try to understand what others are saying.

Ray Fowler

Jorg... I find Ed's "thank you" notes refreshingly civil. They are neither inappropriate nor degrading. Very manly of him to show his appreciation for others.

Terence Y

Jorg, you’re hilarious – you accuse Mr. Kahl of trying to boost the number of comments (jealous much?) yet your own comments (multiple variations on “orange man bad”) and multiple cycles of deflection rarely, if ever, have anything of value to say. I only wish you spent more time to understand what others are saying. BTW, I do give you credit for some valid points - your exclamation points.

Wilfred Fernandez Jr

Terence,

Facebook has its "likes", I have Cha-ching. You have earned one.

Terence Y

Mr. Kahl, thank you for reposting your letter. It’s noticeable that many of our rabid left wing friends are still unable to refute your assertions. Keep those letters coming.

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