Craig Wiesner

In January 2003, my husband and I gathered with 3,000 people in the Washington National Cathedral to protest the imminent invasion of Iraq. We planned to gird ourselves with prayer, word and music and march to the White House where, in an act of nonviolent civil disobedience, hundreds would kneel in prayer and, when asked to leave, would refuse and get arrested.

Keynote preacher the Rev. Raphael Warnock riveted us with words that reflected our horror that we were about to go to war based on a lie. Warnock did what powerful orators do, poetically, and emphatically, using the same phrase again and again. “Soul’s in danger!”

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Terence Y

Mr. Wiesner, make no mistake. There are plenty of folks who know 2020 election was stolen by Biden. The 2022 election was stolen from Kari Lake. COVID vaccines do not work, as evidenced by millions of breakthrough infections. Climate change, man-made, is not real. Perhaps you can’t teach people to be queer, but if appears some people are attempting to do so. You can teach people to hate, or love, just as you can teach them to not hate and not love.

How do we proceed? Agreed that most people are good, decent and want what’s best for themselves, their families and our country. Unfortunately, we have a number of people who are not. You say the rule of law is critical, but what happens when you have a stolen-election President, supported by complicit Democrats, that are ignoring our laws, as in the illegal invasion from the South? When you have local and state “authorities” early releasing thousands of convicted felons back into the wild? Why should we accept the consequences of their ruinous and disastrous policies on the “most people” that are good, decent and want what’s best for themselves, their families and our country? Accept the consequences? Well, we’re living with them, and gone are the days of America First policies as reality has shown. Voting? Agreed, but how do you enforce free and fair elections? Stolen elections have consequences, and again, we’re living with them, to the detriment of the American people.

As for following Ronald Reagan’s advice to “trust but verify” what happens when people willfully ignore the information they’ve verified?

Dirk van Ulden

Terence - I believe that Mr. Wiesner means well. He is certainly a wise contributor to this forum. Like most of us, he is not always perfect and you identified the areas in which he should not have digressed in my opinion. His column would have been more powerful and untainted.

I was also surprised to see his mention of a Rev. Warnock. Is he the same sleazy character who managed to become a Senator for Georgia or does he share the same unfortunate name?

Terence Y

Good observations, Dirk. Mr. Wiesner may mean well but the issue with his digressions is that they distract from any message he may have. It may be easier to discount any message rather than separate the wheat from the chaff because even then, one can’t be sure Mr. Wiesner is sincere.

JustMike650

TY - 99% - 100% article authenticity from Mr. Wiesner's article would probably not be good enough for you. Me thinks something else about Craig's frequent appearances here bugs the heck out of you.

There is zero proof, under all circumstances, that the election was stolen.

Tafhdyd

Terence,

With my apologies to Ray Fowler, Terence, SS,DD! At least any new readers of the DJ will see how far off the deep end you really are. BTW, I wish you would give us your final report on your bamboo fibers. It has been over two years of waiting.

As for your last line with Ronald Reagan, you will have to ask yourself that question. You are the one that doesn't believe verified facts.

Jorg

TY seems to be lost in the Trump-fog forever, with no sign of common sense, logic, or simple facts. How can anyone in his right mind still believe that elections were rigged, just because a Republican lost, even with flying colors? And for the 2020 election, wasn’t it embarrassing enough for the country that some 74 million still voted for a loser like Trump, who had already done so much damage, incompetent as he was, and totally uneducated for the job? This kind of undying support Trump is proud of, someone who follows him blindly, without thinking, accepting a rigged election as established fact if he says so, without a fiber of evidence.

Jorg

TY: I don’t think you even understand why Trump is highly suspected of receiving foreign help both in 2016 and 2020! And why not? Any adversary of us would certainly prefer Trump in the WH, someone so easily fooled and manipulated, one who melts in your hand for the slightest little compliment, no matter how false and unsubstantiated. He is so insecure that he has to brag about himself, even for something as silly as being able to remember 5 simple little words, - which he has bragged about internationally! And that’s supposed to be our leader, although the majority was smart enough to vote against him!

Dirk van Ulden

Jorgh - can you please knock it off? Your diatribes are incessantly idiotic and without any merit. It is as if you secretly admire him. Why not just admit it and get over it?

Jorg

Dirkh: Me an admirer of such a low life as Trump? Yeah, sure. It sounds like you and TY are, for some mysterious reason. Why don’t you instead tell TY to knock off his nonsense?

You and he don’t even seem to grasp that Trump’s mismanagement is responsible for 25% of the national debt, even worse than the previous Republican, Bush. Instead, you blame President Biden for the mess he inherited after his incompetent predecessor.

Terence Y

Dirk, we should be thankful Jorg’s only valid points are his exclamation points. If Jorg actually had other valid points, we may have to spend more than a few minutes to refute his dreck. Jorg’s “orange man bad” diatribes remind us he’s still irrelevant.

Terence Y

Hilarious! Mr. Wiesner, you’ve got a tall job in front of you to change hearts and minds. As long as folks continue willfully ignoring the present, our nation’s soul will remain in, if not be in more, danger. To wit, here we have three folks, Taffy, Jorg, and JustMike650, who are happier to defame people, bear false witness, and accuse others of trying to destroy America rather than face the here and now. We have Taffy, someone who believes there was a Republican to Democrat party switcheroo in America’s past, a hoax thoroughly debunked, multiple times and who continually begs for help with his panda diet study. We have Jorg of the TDS-fueled “orange man bad” diatribes in combination with IBS (Ignore Biden Syndrome). And we have JustMike650, known for puppy-dogging Mr. Conway, with nothing to add to the conversation. And you wonder why two thirds of Americans believe democracy is in peril.

Jorg

TY: Your silly joke is getting tiring. I’ll challenge anyone on this site to come out in your defense! The way you toss out stupidities, without a fiber of evidence to support any of it, while the opposite has already been verified, shows how bewildered you must be.

Terence Y

Jorg, your tendency to dance instead of living in the present isn’t getting tiring, it’s already there. I challenge anyone on this site to come out in your defense! The way you toss out stupidities, without a fiber of evidence to support any of it, while the opposite has already been verified, shows how bewildered you must be. Regards, ChatBotTY

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