Jorg Aadahl, a frequent contributor to the Daily Journal, in his July 28 letter, entitled “Disagree with Grace,” chastised other Journal letter writers. Describing many letters as “blabber,” Aadahl reprimanded us to “upgrade to a more respectable and agreeable level.” He scolded us to employ a more “manly” discourse.
Perhaps Mr. Aadahl needs to take some of his own advice. In his letter just three weeks later, Aug. 17, Aadahl accuses those on the right of having a “fake religiosity.” He calls them “dishonest,” “blind” and “stupid.” Mr. Aadahl is entitled to his own partisan political opinions. But what is unrespectable, what is disagreeable, and what is “unmanly,” is Mr. Aadahl’s own sanctimonious hypocrisy.
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Thank you for a long over due letter. Letter writers should stick to arguing the facts instead of ad hominem attacks.
Ed: That is certainly something we can agree on! An ad hominem argument is used to counter another argument, however usually irrelevant to the argument, rather than offering facts, reason, and logic. A statement against a group called “too stupid to understand” isn’t personal unless you make it personal by admitting you are a part of that group, but it doesn’t make the statement wrong, especially against overwhelming evidence.
Btw.: How would you classify comments like we so often see here: “ …your tunnel vision … Blah, blah, blah, more of Jorg’s orange-man bad garbage about our great President Trump …your one-track mind … rabid leftie nothingburgers about the EC …I'll change his moniker from Bagdad Jorg to Tantrum Jorg …sounds like a kid who did not get his choice of ice cream …”.
Are these Intelligent, factual, and logical contributions to the dialog, - or what would you call such comments?
Good morning, Scott
Thanks for your LTE. Regular DJ readers, from the left and right side of the political aisle, are familiar with Mr. Aadahl's rhetoric. In your letter, you suggested that he should heed his own advice and "disagree with grace." It ain't gonna happen.
Jorg routinely describes persons who disagree with his opinions as uninformed, uneducated, and un-American. These descriptors, which he assigns to others, are factual and provable... according to him. That says a lot.
Here is what may surprise you... I have connected with Jorg outside the daily trench warfare in the DJ's comments section. Those exchanges have been friendly, sometimes funny, and above all else... very human. I agree with you... Jorg "is entitled to his own partisan political opinions." Everyone is welcome to the table. That being said, I cannot explain why he chooses to bring dishes seasoned with derision and pejoratives to the table.
Ray: I know that you aren’t one, but what else can we call supporters of Trump, other than “uninformed, uneducated, and un-American”? Would naïve, childish, or stupid sound better? Nothing hypocritical about that. How do you react to comments like “bungling Biden w/o a single accomplishment”, “The Great President Trump”, and unending attacks on President Obama’s presidency, life, and family? Laughable, yes, but doesn’t it suggest a deeper, more serious problem the nation is faced with? Such “jokers” may not grasp the problems that are rattling the very foundation of the country, but they certainly don’t need any support, or respect, for that matter. We have serious problems today, both nation-wide and world-wide, which the steadily growing majority of us think may have a lot to do with what minority selected former president Trump may have contributed to. The attacks on the Jan. 6 Committee, and on Liz Cheney in particular, should be clear indication that the Trump cult does not want the truth behind the insurrection to be exposed. What’s that for honesty?
I think you understand that better than you are letting on!
My Dad left me a 78 RPM 1930s record with a song that was called "50 million Frenchmen can't be wrong" alluding to their supposed feminine character. It was a joke of course. However, our friend Jorg just made that repeated statement that all Trump supporters are "uninformed, uneducated and un-American." The nerve of an interloper like Jorg, who should know better, to insult 70 million supporters makes me wonder about his mental state. Disagreeing is one thing but name calling and characterization is another. Poor Jorg, he needs help.
Jorg...
Why do you have to insult conservatives and call them names at all? Can we focus on positions and not personalities? Can we disagree with grace?
I have firmly rejected many times the "bungling Biden" commentary. Let's stick with positions not personalities. This time last year, we watched horrible footage of the debacle created by Joe's rapid Afghanistan withdrawal plan. He said we will leave no one behind... we did. The plan was ill-conceived and has been part of the aggression we have seen played out this year by our most dangerous adversaries. In my view, Joe's policy failed with disastrous consequences. How's that for disagreeing with our president without personally attacking everyone registered with the Democratic Party?
You don't like readers who think President Trump was great. OK. Make a case against a program or policy... not the readers.
We can discuss January 6 if you like, but there are still some unanswered questions connected to your post earlier this week that should be addressed before that happens.
I've got some errands to run, and I want to get outside on this beautiful day...
Mr. Abramson, Jorg exhibits the long-term effects of TDS. Readers are well aware of Jorg’s hypocrisy and ad hominem attacks. We knew Jorg’s call for a more respectable and agreeable level wasn’t worth the paper, digital or physical, it was printed on and we knew Jorg would violate his own plea before the day was out (just check out Jorg’s comments on his letter). But Jorg’s gotta be Jorg. He can’t live in the present so all he has is his “orange man bad” shtick in a bid to stay relevant. Oh yes, let’s not forget Jorg’s generous use of exclamation points – his only valid points to date. Sad, just sad.
Scott - we are so fortunate to have such an outstanding arbiter of civil discourse such as Jorg in our midst. No matter what, he is right and you are wrong.
Scott: Some misconception here! While silly “blah-blahs” and personal derogatory remarks have been thrown at me and others on this site, instead of meaningful counterpoints, I have only referred to groups with certain factual, provable characteristics. It is not meant personally, when I refer to the Trump cult as un-informed, mis-informed, easily fooled, gullible and a threat to national security, - it is embarrassingly obvious how true it is, - especially for the vast and steadily increasing majority of us. Nothing personal here, Scott, - but if you insist on being a part of that cult, be my guest. Otherwise, tell us where I’m wrong. It is your choice.
If you look at my more personal statements, you’ll see that they are mainly directed towards those who have attacked other writers directly and personally with vicious ad hominem, - instead of presenting valid counterpoints. That was the main point in the LTE you refer to. See the difference now? After hanging me out in an LTE heading, don’t worry about reaching non-subscribers with a correction. I didn’t take it that seriously, nor do I think others did.
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