Dorothy Dimitre

“All power is a trust and we are accountable for its exercise.” — Disraeli.

It’s the patriarch thing — still predominant in many institutions of our society. From many families, to the church, to government, men obsessed with authority and power mostly run things, people often revere them, and no matter how corrupt the patriarchs, there are enough people that cling to the father figure tenaciously and further their cause. 

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Christopher Conway

Though I agree with Dorothy on the despicable acts of some priests in the Catholic church and the cover up for these crimes, to blame it on patriarchy is a little bit of a stretch. The Catholic experience the I had included academics, athletics, spiritual growth and community, never once did anything like this happen in my parish. Using these terrible crimes as excuse to bash men is despicable. Dorothy is neither a Catholic or a man yet she feels that she has the knowledge to criticize both. I love my church and resent that Dorothy is using these crimes as way to disparage it. I do believe that in Dorothy's world men would not exist and if they did they all should be neutered.

Jorg

What an utterly silly comment, Chris, - directly in line with your usual attacks on Dimitre’s columns. That the Catholic Church atrocities through the ages and up to today, are a male problem, should be beyond dispute. Women have never had much of a voice within that hoax of a boys’ club, - they were kept as servants and play things for the big boys with holy power surrounding them. The claim that you never saw anything wrong, is directly in line with your blindness when it comes to Trump.
While it has been shown that religiosity, especially the Catholic variety, decreases with education, it has never been in religious hierarchy’s interest that their followers walk around with an open mind or inquisitive minds. That has always been a problem, and it still is today, especially in this country. Innocent children and the rest of us have been paying the price.

Christopher Conway

Jorg- in my attempt to be nice to your diatribe, equating men to the abuse in the Catholic Church and demeaning men in general is what my argument has always been with Dorothy. If she wants to be critical of men in general and criticize half the population, I will call her on it. It is very fair to be critical of those priests who have abused children and I would be the first one to say that they should be locked away forever. Jorg, you must be a non religious man so I don't think you and I have much to speak on that subject. Not speaking for you, but the men I know should not be lumped in with pedophile priests. The Catholic Church is dealing with an issue concerning some very bad men in the priesthood, a small percentage. I for one will stand by the First Church of Jesus Christ no matter what people outside the church say.

Jorg

Excellent and timely article, Dorothy! What amazes me the most, is why people still fall for such a made-up hoax, still supporting the nonsense monetarily, and still letting their innocent children into the claws of the clergy?

vincent wei

Dorothy displays more than a hint of sexism here...especially when she tries to relate the absolutely unacceptable, church sex abuse scandal with that of men in general....

Separately, I would offer a word of caution when she starts quoting from Eric Fromm...

Jorg

What do you mean by "hint of sexism"? Aren't these atrocities mainly a male problem whether church related or not? And, what's your problem with the Eric Fromm quote? It is very appropriate for the issue that her column deals with, so your comment is a bit puzzling. Not familiar with Eric Fromm, or never read any of his books, or what?

vincent wei

Jorg.....Are personal attacks all you are made of?...maybe you're not aware of it...

Jorg


Chris: From where on flat Earth do you get the idea that Dorothy includes all men in her criticism of abusing Catholic priests and others who harm the innocent? Yes, the vast majority of those abusers are men, but she has never suggested that all men are equally guilty! Far from it, - although you keep accusing her unfairly. You are right about one thing, though: I am not religious! Never have been, - born an Atheist and remained a non-believer in religious hoaxes, as are all my family members. However, I have to admit that I have read both the Bible and the Quran better and with more open mind than most and concluded without a shadow of doubt that it is all totally made up, - just sprinkled with well known names, which is common in most fiction to give an impression of reality. That such hoaxes have been used to harm the innocent, contaminate education, hold back science and get us stuck with incompetent leaders, are too bad, emphasizing the need for this country to grow up and become more progressive, like the most advanced countries in Europe. We are lagging behind in so many ways, Chris, - unbecoming an otherwise rich and successful country like the US!

Dirk van Ulden

I thought for a minute that Dimitre was addressing the Democratic Party, which is clearly keeping its followers dumb and happy. But then I realized she was attacking men in general and priests in particular. Little does she know that child abuse is mostly perpetrated by family members and other individuals who routinely work with children. This is not to excuse priests but they are members of an easy target. But as Jorg says, religiosity diminishes with education, an absurd statement that is disproved by the brightest nominee and members of our Supreme Court. I am also a proud Catholic and just because there are a few sinners that does not diminish the importance of that religion and the multitudes of folks who, to this day, send their kids, whether Catholic or not, to Catholic schools. Too bad, Jorg, that you never had a chance to experience that superior education.

Jorg

Dirk: How can you attempt to diminish the child abuse among Catholic priests, so wide spread and common that it dwarfs the ratio among the population in general, by referring to “a few sinners”?! And what do you mean by priests being an “easy target”? Few are more protected, and few can get away with more atrocities than the clergy! That ought to be quite obvious by now, despite all the attempts to hush it all down. That religiosity tends to decline with education has been shown in numerous studies, while Supreme Court nominees are a far cry from the best and brightest! Just look at the more progressive nations in Europe, where religion has no real impact or importance anymore.
Finally, you are on very loose ground if you try to belittle my education. My entire family is very well educated, with top grades from some of the best universities in the nation. One of my graduate degrees is even from a Jesuit business school, which I chose to even out my science background with more courses around social responsibilities, values and human considerations.

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