Editor,

I make no secret of despising President Trump. He is a disgrace to his office and I devoutly hope will go down in history as the worst president we’ve ever had. Because we can’t afford worse.

But his Proud Boys comment during the debate — “Stand back and stand by” — alarms me in a totally different way. I didn’t appreciate it at first because I don’t keep up with delusional fringe groups. That was a mistake. These idiots are no joke.

Having a sitting duly elected president telling them to stand by — to deal with the outcome of the election — is as close to Hitler calling on his Brownshirts as I ever want to see my nation flirt with tyranny.

Granted, the Proud Boys are not the Brownshirts. There aren’t that many of them. Or is our government as decayed as the Weimar Republic was when Hitler was elected.

But that’s a difference of degree not of kind. Trump by his own words has condemned himself as a racist, divisive bigot who will gladly stomp on the liberty of the people he is sworn to protect if by doing so it lets him keep power.

We should not accept what he said as “just an opinion.” We can, and always will, argue over how to govern ourselves. But that requires the government remain in the hands of the people, not a tyrant.

Every elected official should forcefully denounce Trump’s Proud Boy remarks. Those who don’t will have joined him, even if just passively, in fomenting treason ... and will, if there is any shred of justice left in the world, reap the whirlwind at the ballot box.

Mark Olbert

San Carlos

The letter writer is a member of the San Carlos City Council. His views are his own.

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(30) comments

JME

Mark, you have the courage to speak out while so many do not.

Terence Y

Yes, one could only hope he could speak the truth, instead of disseminating fake news and bringing shame to San Carlos.

Terence Y

Sorry, Mr. Olbert, the worst President in history has been cemented by Treasonous Obama. Did you, or any of these TDS-infected commenters, know the Proud Boys have an African-Hispanic American International Chairman and African American patriots? I guess there goes the racist argument. If Trump wanted to be a tyrant, he still could be. The military and cops support Trump so there would be no stopping him. You should be glad your great President Trump is a proud American, which is more than I can say for rabid TDS-infected folks, including you. If we take your argument, I guess Democrats would like a return to slavery and the KKK. I’d suggest the SMDJ remove your job info because you’re an embarrassment to the San Carlos City Council. If your overt bias and lies in an LTE are any indication, I feel sorry for San Carlos.

Tafhdyd

Terence,

You really should make an appointment at a mental facility while you can still make use of the Great Obama Affordable Care Act. If you like you fantasy world you can live in it. If you like the lies you can believe them.

Terence Y

Laffy Taffy Dave - what happened to your Trump tax return nothingburger? I can see that even you don’t think the Proud Boys hullabaloo serves your narrative. Off to your next molehill. Russian collusion again? Nothing on your new SC justice, ACB? Maybe you could try propping up brain-dead Biden since nobody else is doing that. And where’s Kammy Harris – she seems to have disappeared? Maybe she’s working with Willie Brown on her debating skills?

Tafhdyd

Terence,

Are these your normal thought processes or are you actually having LSD flashbacks?

Terence Y

Oh dear, is Daffy Taffy Dave emulating his abysmal candidate, brain-dead Biden? Daffy has not received word from his Democrat overlords so he has to resort to insults. Turnabout is fair play. What’s the difference between Bigfoot and an intelligent Taffy? There have been sightings of Bigfoot.

JME

The organization glorifies political violence against leftists, re-enacting political assassinations, wearing shirts that praise Augusto Pinochet's murders of leftists and participating directly in political violence.[23][28] McInnes has said "I want violence, I want punching in the face. I'm disappointed in Trump supporters for not punching enough."[23][41] He further stated that "[w]e don't start fights [...] but we will finish them."[48] Heidi Beirich, the Intelligence Project director for the Southern Poverty Law Center, said that this form of intentional aggression was not common among far-right groups in the past. She further said that the far-right's claim that "[w]e're going to show up and we're intending to get in fights" was new.[49] In late November 2018, it was reported, based on an internal memo of the Clark County, Washington Sheriff's Office, that the FBI had classified the Proud Boys as an extremist group with ties to white nationalism.[12] However, two weeks later the Special Agent in Charge of the FBI's Oregon office denied that the FBI made such designations, ascribing the error by the Sheriff's Office to a confusion over the FBI designating the group as such, as a designation made by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and other outside agencies.[30]

The organization is opposed to feminism and promotes gender stereotypes in which women are subservient to men.[40][41] The organization has a female-member-only auxiliary wing named "Proud Boys' Girls" that supports the same ideology.[50] The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) states that McInnes and the Proud Boys are misogynistic and states that they call women "lazy" and "less ambitious" than men and “venerat[e] the housewife". McInnes has called for "enforced monogamy" and criticized feminism as "a cancer".[45]

Some men who are not white have joined the Proud Boys, drawn by the organization's advocacy for men, anti-immigrant stance, and embrace of violence.[51] The ADL states that the Proud Boys' "extreme, provocative tactics—coupled with overt or implicit racism, Islamophobia, homophobia, anti-Semitism and misogyny and the fact that the group is so decentralized, inconsistent, and spread out—suggest the group should be a significant cause for concern".[45]

Ray Fowler

Hey, Mark

Extremists should be called out... I agree. While the First Amendment provides them with the opportunity to articulate their extreme right point of view, they cannot cross the line into violence.

There are some "delusional fringe groups" on the left. Should they be denounced when they cross that same line?

Rel

Could not agree more with Mark that Trump is a total disgrace to his office and the country. Anyone who witnessed the petulance of Trump in the debate and not cringe was not paying attention. Ray, I agree extremists on both sides should be denounced. It should be noted 100% of all deaths attributed to extremists since 2018 have been committed by young white right wing terrorists (18X for 47 deaths according to Anti-Defamation League), not one by a leftist leaning group. That fact makes the reason for denouncing white supremacy so important because it is likely several more are standing by.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Rel

How ya doin'?

We agree! Extremists on both sides should be denounced. But we disagree on laying more blame on groups like the Proud Boys. There is plenty of blame to go around. In the past five weeks: a right wing protestor was shot and killed in Portland by a left wing affiliate, two deputies ambushed in LA, and two officers were shot at a Louisville demonstration. Left wing protesters routinely chant death to police and announce over PA systems that they hope wounded police officers die.

The far left... hit the pause button... I'm not talking about liberals or your everyday Democrat... the far left has a history of such violence. Four months ago, a retired St. Louis police officer was gunned down at a left demonstration that turned into a riot, and four years ago, five officers were ambushed in Dallas.

Violence is violence and should be condemned. The DNC was strangely quiet about the topic of law and order at its convention in August. If the Democrat leadership denounces alt-right groups... and they should... they should also denounce the alt-left.

JustMike650

Similar to Munks and Bolanos, who were extremely 'out of line' back in the day.

Christopher Conway

I love the Proud Boys, that is why I am one in spirit. When it comes to the violence in the streets and the fact that the Civil War has already started, you need to pick a side. I stand squarely on the side of the Proud Boys and everything they represent. Proud Boys are not the ones causing the violence in the streets and not the people who will start a revolution, they will be the ones who end the revolution.

Cindy Cornell

President Trump's own FBI Director disagrees with you. They are domestic terrorists intent on starting a race war. They are pathetic and dangerous. I guess no one really thought you were a patriot. It's now quite obvious.

Christopher Conway

Christopher Wray is a joke so I do not care what he has to say. He just needs to release all the documents showing how the FBI spied on our president. Why hasn't he done that yet? Cindy, what you think of me is similar to what the Germans must have felt when they saw the Americans march east and liberate Europe. Like I said, the violence will start from the left, but it will be put down by the right.

Tommy Tee

Such fine people.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/30/proud-boy-arrested-on-six-felony-charges-in-portland/?fbclid=IwAR3CxbhJ8490bYIzkiGwrn7SO2MecII6pxT1LWweLuQ-Tr4lZUI1xbUCKMQ#67b098f06e2f

Tommy Tee

They sure look armed up, ready for battle.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2020/09/28/proud-boys-rally-portland-elle-reeve-orig.cnn

Ray Fowler

Hello, Tommy

I checked out both links, thanks.

I found it curious that while many Proud Boys appeared "armed up" in the video, when the CNN reporter sought out BLM protesters at another location, you could see people wearing the same gear. The good news? These groups did not clash.

Protesters from either side can gather together... no problem. However, protesters on either side carrying unlawful weapons should be disarmed. (Now, I'm the guy fond of mixing quotes from the movie "Tombstone" in my commentary, but we don't want to see a "disarming" turn into an OK Corral situation.) Demonstrators don't need weapons to participate in peaceful protests.

I feel your concerns re: Proud Boys are well founded, and to be fair, those concerns are applicable to the Proud Boys' counterparts. My sense of it is that more violence has been perpetrated by those counterparts, and some of those on the extreme leftist fringe are shooting at police officers...

JustMike650

Chris, Padre Proud, give me a small taste of your future disdain when the SMDJ decides not to endorse your guy for POTUS? Will you act like debate Donald or perhaps you'd be civil.

Tommy Tee

So, you're a kindred white supremacist?

JME

The Proud Boys are a far-right,[1][2] neo-fascist[3][4][5][6] male-only[7][8] organization with ties to white supremacists[9] that promotes and engages in political violence.[10][11][12][13] It is based in the United States and also has a presence in Canada.[14] The group was started as a joke in the far-right Taki's Magazine[15] in 2016 by Vice Media co-founder and former commentator Gavin McInnes, taking its name from the song "Proud of Your Boy" from the Disney musical Aladdin.[16][17] The Proud Boys emerged as part of the alt-right, but McInnes began distancing himself from the alt-right in early 2017, saying the alt-right's focus is race while his focus is what he defines as "Western values." This re-branding effort intensified after the Unite the Right rally.[18][19]

JustMike650

You should clean up the Wiki citations before you paste.

Terence Y

Wow, so African American Proud Boys patriots are white supremacists? How does that work? I mean they’re not white, so… Nice try, Mr. Emanuel, but everyone's Proud Boys racist narrative has already been debunked and is just another nothingburger. Next time, find a reputable source.

Tafhdyd

I thought you would have more comments about your devoted admiration of the Proud Boys. I don't want you to feel left out so I will ask if you keep your Klan outfit pressed and hanging by the front door ready to go when Donald calls?

Terence Y

Daffy Taffy Dave - please stop drinking and posting before you make a bigger fool of yourself. Everyone knows Democrats supported the KKK. Pull out a history book or read a reputable source and get the facts before posting nonsense.

Tafhdyd

Sorry Terence, history didn’t stop in the ‘50s and ‘60s like you seem to think.

Terence Y

Wow! Daffy Taffy, at least three sheets to the wind and definitely one can short a six-pack, attempting after bedtime commenting. Maybe he’ll have a complete thought in the morning, though unlikely. BTW Grandpa Dave, your ‘50s and ‘60s are before my time.

Tafhdyd

History has been explained to you before so I won't waste time explaining it again. Apparently you didn't comprehend it or you chose to believe the versions provided by your orange idol.

Terence Y

Oh my, it sounds like Taffy Dave has a bad hangover and he’s pulling a Pelosi. I feel bad if I caused his snit. Grandpa Dave, are you still in your fantasy world where up is down, north is south, the moon is made of cheese, and Democrats are Republicans? Unfortunately, the truth gets in the way of your perfidious history. Please, for the sake of your family, practice moderate consumption this weekend. Your two- and four-legged family will appreciate it.

Tafhdyd

I learned something from you. I thought it was just the Christopher that needed a mirror but I see now that it also part of the Republicon rule book. Never use facts, never tell the truth and never look in a mirror.

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