Having serious concerns himself, and being told by his closest advisors, as well as discouraging poll numbers, incumbent Trump must have known he would lose, and that he didn’t have many options.
First of all, accepting defeat, with his very fragile ego, was contrary to his nature and out of question.
Knowing the deep trouble he would be in without presidential protection, what was the only remaining option? Start early, planting the idea that the election was rigged against him, and keep supporting that "Big Lie," trusting that there would be enough supporters gullible enough to believe the lie, and enough Republicans dishonest enough to support it.
And now, Trump has publicly admitted that his objective was to overturn the election, meaning change the outcome of an election that he lost! He finally admitted it, inadvertently.
I have asked four times for a response from you concerning some insulting remarks you made a while ago, but all I've heard is crickets. Often, that's what happens when a bully is challenged... the bully scurries away.
I make a concerted effort to comment on positions and not personalities. And while it's tempting to repay you in kind, I will not. Let's move on...
Jorg, look up the definition of treason and then look at Biden’s aid and comfort to the Taliban. Some people lose their keys, but Biden lost Afghanistan. Can you explain that, or did you just toss out another knee-jerk response without thinking? C’mon man!
Terence Y: Don’t blame Afghanistan on President Biden. He inherited that sorry situation set up by Trump, while the whole spectacle was started by the previous WH misfit, George W. Bush. Biden finally got us out of it, but of course, like so many things, it could have been done better, with 20/20 hindsight. At any rate, it can hardly be classified as “treason”, while more of Trump’s treason will be revealed in the coming months. Just pay attention.
Jorg, there’s no one else to blame. After all, President Trump didn’t tell surrender-in-chief Biden to kneel or provide aid and comfort to Afghanistan. So yes, it can be classified as treason. I am glad to see progress in your admitting Biden lost Afghanistan.
I agree with you... it's not fair to blame the Afghanistan war on Joe Biden, and it's equally unfair to suggest that Donald Trump created a mess for Joe. Joe did that to himself.
Yeah... I remember Donald Trump voting against invading Afghanistan. Oh, wait a minute... that didn't happen. But you know who did vote in favor of the invasion? Good ol' Joe. I get it... his stance on the war evolved over time. No one can quibble with that. However, Joe's claims that he opposed the Afghanistan war "from the very beginning" are simply not true. N'est-ce pas?
Ho hum – another week, another JUNC (Jorg’s Unbalanced Nonsense Conniption) letter. Folks let me summarize to save you some time. Jorg can’t document a treasonous Biden accomplishment so he has to distract by belly-aching about our great President Trump. Par for his living-in-the-past course.
So, Jorg, can you explain what part of my comment you disagree with, or simply do not grasp? It’s pretty clear to everyone that you’re unable to list a bumbling Biden accomplishment and you would prefer instead to live in the past. C’mon man! BTW, can you please share an exclamation point or one of your flat earths in response? Thanks in advance.
Terence Y: Do you really need to be spoon fed with the most obvious of President Biden’s accomplishments? Don’t you read anything, or follow news through reliable media? Just to be nice, let me just mention job growth of a record 6 million the first year, vs. Trump’s 2, low unemployment, growing world respect and recognition, stock market growth, - all after inheriting a country in turmoil after his incompetent, lying predecessor, Trump, who again inherited a healthy economy and a country in good shape after his predecessor, who again had to rescue the country from the cliff after the previous Republican WH misfit. Get it? No? And, while President Obama did his best to guide Trump into his new job, what did Trump do when President Biden won the presidency? You have no idea? If so, I can’t help you. Sorry, you’re on your own.
Nice try, Jorg, but you're only repeating debunked fake news accomplishments. As for your job “growth” it’s not considered growth if people are filling the jobs they were laid off from due to idiotic COVID policies. And growing world respect? Give me a break. Yes respect from Afghanistan and Russia and China and North Korea which allows them to ride roughshod over kneeling Biden? Let’s not forget the Americans left behind enemy lines. I’d like to give Biden some credit for the stock market, but the credit is due to low money policies, which will soon be ending thanks to bumbling Biden’s runaway inflation. Seems like you still have no bungling Biden accomplishments. Try again, please.
Dirk: As long as Trump keeps harping on the big lie that the 2020 election was rigged against him, and that he actually had won by a landslide, it is my duty to highlight the nonsense, although I realize it won’t have much impact on his gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members. Any problem with that?
Jorg - I do not notice any gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members on this forum. So, perhaps you need to find another medium to spout your irrelevant opinions. You would probably be a great hit for MSNBC and, before their cave-in, CNN. You presume that most of us who do not agree with you are diehard Trump fans. In my case, he has his faults but looking at this last year with a totally corrupted nitwit at the WH who takes direction from some destructive forces, I am still convinced that Trump would have done much better.
Dirk: Where did I refer to “any gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members on this forum”? I really hope I have a wider audience, like the DJ readership! The rest of your statements are so out of whack that they don’t deserve any comments, at least not from me.
You have to admire Jorg's commitment. If only he could have used his energy and talents for the betterment of all... I'm joking. He truly believes what he writes.
However, I'm not so sure he has a "perverse admiration" for our former president. As it appears to me he strives to balance his love for Barack against his hatred of the Donald. Maybe. I could be way off...
I think this might be more a case of a victorious candidate is happy with election results but the defeated candidate will contest the results. That's what happened in 2016. Trump happy... Hillary grousing. It also happened in 2018 with Stacey Abrams. So, why is anyone surprised that Joe is happy with the 2020 election and Trump says loud and clear... over and over... that the election was not legit? It looks like the pendulum is already swinging back. Joe said just three weeks ago that the 2022 midterms may not be legit. Of course, that really means if Republicans take back the House and Senate... Republicans will be happy and Democrats will be crying foul. WH staffers started working right away to ealk back Joe's comments. Why don't we let the 2022 elections run the same course we witnessed in 2020 except let's agree now to accept the outcome.
"Why don't we let the 2022 elections run the same course we witnessed in 2020 except let's agree now to accept the outcome."
That is a good suggestion as long as the conditions and rules remain the same. The drawback is that the Republicans have already changed rules and laws in some locations to restrict and make it more difficult to vote in areas they did not win or just won by a narrow margin.
We keep hearing from the left that voting was suppressed. It reminds me of Jorg's claim that some Republicans voted cast ballots issued to dead relatives. Maybe. But when I asked him for context and quantification... well, I'm sure you can guess what happened next... crickets.
A founding member of a BLM chapter in Tennessee received prison term for... wait for it... voting illegally. So, using Jorg's logic, it would be permissible to say BLM members and their supporters are stuffing ballot boxes. I'm sure we can agree intuitively that is not the case.
Circling back... as Jen used to say... where is the context and quantification to support your comment that Republicans made it more difficult to vote in 2020? Where did we see voters saying Republicans kept them from voting?
Ray: Are you trying to tell us that the heavily reported cases of Republicans caught voting for dead relatives, passed you by? Don’t you pay attention at all? Not that it had any impact on the results, but what does that have to do with my LTE, any more than the BLM voter you drag up? Why don’t you stick to what I write, with a comment that makes sense? If you don’t have anything to contribute, why not stay out of it, instead of going out on a tangent, just to side-track from an issue that must be very embarrassing for Trump supporters?
Your LTE is yet another of your many statements lambasting Trump's claims the 2020 election was rigged, stolen... whatever. I am not in agreement with the Donald and I called Joe the winner a few days after the 2020 election (before the major networks declared Joe the winner). But your stand alone lambasting is misleading and a little self-righteous. Why? Democrats do the same thing. So, yes, my response saying that both parties do the thing you want to suggest only Republicans do is on topic.
Today's LTE was a pared down version of virtually the same content you posted on your blog earlier this week. The blog post repeated your retelling the tale about Republicans voting with ballots issued to dead relatives. My mistake you did not repeat that claim today. Yet, when the Republican ballot stuffing was mentioned by you in an earlier LTE, I asked you for context and quantification... you did not respond. Is this a real problem?
I'd like to submit a rebuttal to your blog post, but if I do... will you delete the post or sections of it that you deem inappropriate for your worldwide audience?
You may have read my comment too fast. I said that the vote in 2022 would be fine with the same rules and conditions that existed in 2020, I did not say the Repubs were cheating in 2020, (although I am sure they tried their best), I said they were changing the rules to benefit them in the future elections.
You mentioned the BLM member in Tennessee voted illegally. About 3-4 weeks ago I commented to Ed Kahl about his comment on the subject of right wing lying and cheating and I asked him to check these names. Rosemarie Hartle, Bruce Bartman, Ralph Thurman, McCrae Dowless and Glenn Youngkin's son. You can look them up if you like but the background is you can name a voting problem and I can name a voting problem, then you name one and I name one, etc.
Ray: Oh course, feel free to submit comments to my blog. If I find it of common interest, I’ll publish it, edited if I find that necessary. That's the editor's prerogative.
You're not an editor... you're a censor. You invite the whole world to share viewpoints, then you decide which viewpoints will get shared and how they're shared... that's very, very Democratic of you. It wouldn't be the first time someone from the left side of the aisle has wanted to have commentary removed instead of exchanging points of view..
Ray: If you look back, I have accepted many viewpoints different from mine, including yours. But, they have to have something to do with the main point I raised, not something entirely different! That’s what I reject! However, this is not something we should discuss on this site!
Your blog post purports to be an exchange of opinions but it's really just an echo chamber for persons who agree with your point of view. That's OK... just say it. It would be more honest if you simply invited Never Trumpers and Obamaphiles to participate.
From an earlier discussion... you and Terence go back and forth on whether Joe Biden has been successful as president. I don't see a meeting of the minds between you on this issue. However... I was wondering what you might say about the following... A CNN survey reported that 56% of Americans feel they have not received anything beneficial from Joe and 58% disapprove of the job he is doing. A Pew Research survey showed that 80% of Americans feel Joe will not be successful as president. Given those numbers, it looks like Terence may be winning the debate between you two.
Yes, I may have read your comment too fast. I feel that at the end of the day, you're correct... we can go back and forth with names and stack them like poker chips. Your pile will get larger then mine will, and so on and so on... That was kinda my point re: Jorg's LTE. He likes to point to Republicans pounding their chest claiming an election was rigged but in the next election cycle it will be the Democrats pounding their chests. However, I disagree with your point that Republicans are purposefully trying to restrict voting. That's why I asked, "Where did we see voters saying Republicans kept them from voting?" Where?
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"Lock him up, Lock him up."
Not enough! Treason should carry the death penalty!
Good morning, Tommy
I have asked four times for a response from you concerning some insulting remarks you made a while ago, but all I've heard is crickets. Often, that's what happens when a bully is challenged... the bully scurries away.
I make a concerted effort to comment on positions and not personalities. And while it's tempting to repay you in kind, I will not. Let's move on...
Agreed Tommy and Jorg, treasonous Biden should face the consequences.
Terence: Y do you call President Biden "treasonous"? Can you explain that, or did you just toss it out without thinking?
Jorg, look up the definition of treason and then look at Biden’s aid and comfort to the Taliban. Some people lose their keys, but Biden lost Afghanistan. Can you explain that, or did you just toss out another knee-jerk response without thinking? C’mon man!
Terence Y: Don’t blame Afghanistan on President Biden. He inherited that sorry situation set up by Trump, while the whole spectacle was started by the previous WH misfit, George W. Bush. Biden finally got us out of it, but of course, like so many things, it could have been done better, with 20/20 hindsight. At any rate, it can hardly be classified as “treason”, while more of Trump’s treason will be revealed in the coming months. Just pay attention.
Jorg, there’s no one else to blame. After all, President Trump didn’t tell surrender-in-chief Biden to kneel or provide aid and comfort to Afghanistan. So yes, it can be classified as treason. I am glad to see progress in your admitting Biden lost Afghanistan.
Jorg
I agree with you... it's not fair to blame the Afghanistan war on Joe Biden, and it's equally unfair to suggest that Donald Trump created a mess for Joe. Joe did that to himself.
Yeah... I remember Donald Trump voting against invading Afghanistan. Oh, wait a minute... that didn't happen. But you know who did vote in favor of the invasion? Good ol' Joe. I get it... his stance on the war evolved over time. No one can quibble with that. However, Joe's claims that he opposed the Afghanistan war "from the very beginning" are simply not true. N'est-ce pas?
Ho hum – another week, another JUNC (Jorg’s Unbalanced Nonsense Conniption) letter. Folks let me summarize to save you some time. Jorg can’t document a treasonous Biden accomplishment so he has to distract by belly-aching about our great President Trump. Par for his living-in-the-past course.
So, Terence Y, can you explain what part of this LTE you disagree with, or simply do not grasp? If I know what it is, I may try to explain it to you.
So, Jorg, can you explain what part of my comment you disagree with, or simply do not grasp? It’s pretty clear to everyone that you’re unable to list a bumbling Biden accomplishment and you would prefer instead to live in the past. C’mon man! BTW, can you please share an exclamation point or one of your flat earths in response? Thanks in advance.
Terence Y: Do you really need to be spoon fed with the most obvious of President Biden’s accomplishments? Don’t you read anything, or follow news through reliable media? Just to be nice, let me just mention job growth of a record 6 million the first year, vs. Trump’s 2, low unemployment, growing world respect and recognition, stock market growth, - all after inheriting a country in turmoil after his incompetent, lying predecessor, Trump, who again inherited a healthy economy and a country in good shape after his predecessor, who again had to rescue the country from the cliff after the previous Republican WH misfit. Get it? No? And, while President Obama did his best to guide Trump into his new job, what did Trump do when President Biden won the presidency? You have no idea? If so, I can’t help you. Sorry, you’re on your own.
Nice try, Jorg, but you're only repeating debunked fake news accomplishments. As for your job “growth” it’s not considered growth if people are filling the jobs they were laid off from due to idiotic COVID policies. And growing world respect? Give me a break. Yes respect from Afghanistan and Russia and China and North Korea which allows them to ride roughshod over kneeling Biden? Let’s not forget the Americans left behind enemy lines. I’d like to give Biden some credit for the stock market, but the credit is due to low money policies, which will soon be ending thanks to bumbling Biden’s runaway inflation. Seems like you still have no bungling Biden accomplishments. Try again, please.
I trust this is Bagdad Jorg's last gasp. He must have a perverse admiration for our former President or else Jorg would not keep on writing about him.
Dirk: As long as Trump keeps harping on the big lie that the 2020 election was rigged against him, and that he actually had won by a landslide, it is my duty to highlight the nonsense, although I realize it won’t have much impact on his gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members. Any problem with that?
Jorg - I do not notice any gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members on this forum. So, perhaps you need to find another medium to spout your irrelevant opinions. You would probably be a great hit for MSNBC and, before their cave-in, CNN. You presume that most of us who do not agree with you are diehard Trump fans. In my case, he has his faults but looking at this last year with a totally corrupted nitwit at the WH who takes direction from some destructive forces, I am still convinced that Trump would have done much better.
Dirk: Where did I refer to “any gullible, uninformed and easily fooled cult members on this forum”? I really hope I have a wider audience, like the DJ readership! The rest of your statements are so out of whack that they don’t deserve any comments, at least not from me.
Hi, Dirk
You have to admire Jorg's commitment. If only he could have used his energy and talents for the betterment of all... I'm joking. He truly believes what he writes.
However, I'm not so sure he has a "perverse admiration" for our former president. As it appears to me he strives to balance his love for Barack against his hatred of the Donald. Maybe. I could be way off...
Hello, Jorg
I think this might be more a case of a victorious candidate is happy with election results but the defeated candidate will contest the results. That's what happened in 2016. Trump happy... Hillary grousing. It also happened in 2018 with Stacey Abrams. So, why is anyone surprised that Joe is happy with the 2020 election and Trump says loud and clear... over and over... that the election was not legit? It looks like the pendulum is already swinging back. Joe said just three weeks ago that the 2022 midterms may not be legit. Of course, that really means if Republicans take back the House and Senate... Republicans will be happy and Democrats will be crying foul. WH staffers started working right away to ealk back Joe's comments. Why don't we let the 2022 elections run the same course we witnessed in 2020 except let's agree now to accept the outcome.
Ray,
"Why don't we let the 2022 elections run the same course we witnessed in 2020 except let's agree now to accept the outcome."
That is a good suggestion as long as the conditions and rules remain the same. The drawback is that the Republicans have already changed rules and laws in some locations to restrict and make it more difficult to vote in areas they did not win or just won by a narrow margin.
Hey, Tafhdyd...
We keep hearing from the left that voting was suppressed. It reminds me of Jorg's claim that some Republicans voted cast ballots issued to dead relatives. Maybe. But when I asked him for context and quantification... well, I'm sure you can guess what happened next... crickets.
A founding member of a BLM chapter in Tennessee received prison term for... wait for it... voting illegally. So, using Jorg's logic, it would be permissible to say BLM members and their supporters are stuffing ballot boxes. I'm sure we can agree intuitively that is not the case.
Circling back... as Jen used to say... where is the context and quantification to support your comment that Republicans made it more difficult to vote in 2020? Where did we see voters saying Republicans kept them from voting?
Ray: Are you trying to tell us that the heavily reported cases of Republicans caught voting for dead relatives, passed you by? Don’t you pay attention at all? Not that it had any impact on the results, but what does that have to do with my LTE, any more than the BLM voter you drag up? Why don’t you stick to what I write, with a comment that makes sense? If you don’t have anything to contribute, why not stay out of it, instead of going out on a tangent, just to side-track from an issue that must be very embarrassing for Trump supporters?
Jorg...
Your LTE is yet another of your many statements lambasting Trump's claims the 2020 election was rigged, stolen... whatever. I am not in agreement with the Donald and I called Joe the winner a few days after the 2020 election (before the major networks declared Joe the winner). But your stand alone lambasting is misleading and a little self-righteous. Why? Democrats do the same thing. So, yes, my response saying that both parties do the thing you want to suggest only Republicans do is on topic.
Today's LTE was a pared down version of virtually the same content you posted on your blog earlier this week. The blog post repeated your retelling the tale about Republicans voting with ballots issued to dead relatives. My mistake you did not repeat that claim today. Yet, when the Republican ballot stuffing was mentioned by you in an earlier LTE, I asked you for context and quantification... you did not respond. Is this a real problem?
I'd like to submit a rebuttal to your blog post, but if I do... will you delete the post or sections of it that you deem inappropriate for your worldwide audience?
Ray,
You may have read my comment too fast. I said that the vote in 2022 would be fine with the same rules and conditions that existed in 2020, I did not say the Repubs were cheating in 2020, (although I am sure they tried their best), I said they were changing the rules to benefit them in the future elections.
You mentioned the BLM member in Tennessee voted illegally. About 3-4 weeks ago I commented to Ed Kahl about his comment on the subject of right wing lying and cheating and I asked him to check these names. Rosemarie Hartle, Bruce Bartman, Ralph Thurman, McCrae Dowless and Glenn Youngkin's son. You can look them up if you like but the background is you can name a voting problem and I can name a voting problem, then you name one and I name one, etc.
Ray: Oh course, feel free to submit comments to my blog. If I find it of common interest, I’ll publish it, edited if I find that necessary. That's the editor's prerogative.
Jorg
You're not an editor... you're a censor. You invite the whole world to share viewpoints, then you decide which viewpoints will get shared and how they're shared... that's very, very Democratic of you. It wouldn't be the first time someone from the left side of the aisle has wanted to have commentary removed instead of exchanging points of view..
Ray: If you look back, I have accepted many viewpoints different from mine, including yours. But, they have to have something to do with the main point I raised, not something entirely different! That’s what I reject! However, this is not something we should discuss on this site!
Nice try, Jorg
Your blog post purports to be an exchange of opinions but it's really just an echo chamber for persons who agree with your point of view. That's OK... just say it. It would be more honest if you simply invited Never Trumpers and Obamaphiles to participate.
From an earlier discussion... you and Terence go back and forth on whether Joe Biden has been successful as president. I don't see a meeting of the minds between you on this issue. However... I was wondering what you might say about the following... A CNN survey reported that 56% of Americans feel they have not received anything beneficial from Joe and 58% disapprove of the job he is doing. A Pew Research survey showed that 80% of Americans feel Joe will not be successful as president. Given those numbers, it looks like Terence may be winning the debate between you two.
A nightcap with Tafhdyd...
Yes, I may have read your comment too fast. I feel that at the end of the day, you're correct... we can go back and forth with names and stack them like poker chips. Your pile will get larger then mine will, and so on and so on... That was kinda my point re: Jorg's LTE. He likes to point to Republicans pounding their chest claiming an election was rigged but in the next election cycle it will be the Democrats pounding their chests. However, I disagree with your point that Republicans are purposefully trying to restrict voting. That's why I asked, "Where did we see voters saying Republicans kept them from voting?" Where?
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