Editor,

Has our democracy of 240 years reached its expiration date? I see with a bit of embarrassment that our current president addressed what was called a “democracy summit” with a call to aid other nations to build, expand and encourage others in resisting what many see as a chronic democratic backsliding in many areas of the world. We in the United States have seen two recent elections where one party garnered the majority of the popular votes yet surrendered power to another party which was declared the winner by our courts and the electoral collage (a bizarre and unique system). Yet when that same party lost the popular vote by an even larger margin in 2020 and was declared the losers by that same unique mechanism, that same party which benefited from having the other party submit to the rules then refused to admit their loss in turn. We now see our 240 year experiment in real jeopardy.

Mike Caggiano

San Mateo

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(30) comments

Jorg

Sadly, you are too right, Mike! As long as Republicans are fighting so desperately against constitutional voting rights and democratic values, we’ll keep going down. Their public support is dwindling, and rightfully so. Yet, they keep working for and supporting incompetents like Trump, while hoping that Democratic presidents like Biden, will fail, with absolutely no regard for what’s good for the country.

Go figure!

Terence Y

The JUNC (Jorg’s Unhinged Nutty Claptrap) effect back on display. Hey Jorg, instead of living in the past, maybe you can move to the present and amaze us with a treasonous Biden accomplishment. Sorry, dubious accomplishments don’t count, but if that’s all you have… we’ll take it.

Dirk van Ulden

Terrence - we should pick a better nick name. "Bagdad Jorg". The country is going to heck in a handbasket and Jorg is still maintaining that Biden is doing a great job. Well, he just confessed that MSNBC is his main source of current news events. That explains it and him.

Jorg

It never ceases to impress me what even average Trumpsters can come up with! The creativity, the ingenuity, the amazing inventiveness, is simply, - how should I put it, - numbing?

Terence Y

Dirk - that’s an idea. Jorg is unable to reconcile the numb mind known as Biden with Biden’s America Last policies and so Jorg requires a coping mechanism – explaining his tendency to constantly bellyache about the past. Let’s not forget Jorg’s tendency to toss out exclamation points. I’m currently winning the exclamation point sweepstakes because I was just awarded a Nordland boatload of them on another thread.

Terence Y

Mr. Caggiano – obviously we’re in real jeopardy. When you have a stolen election resulting in treasonous Biden and Dem’s America Last policies, what do you expect? The bigger question is what you can do to stop this backsliding and Make America Great Again. We did it a few years ago and look what happened this year? Rising inflation, rising crime rates, rising illegal immigration, etc. Stolen elections have consequences.

Ray Fowler

Hey, Terence

The term "stolen elections" is an interesting one. I feel that DJ readers on the left side of the aisle believe you think Joe's 81 million votes and his Nov. 3 victory were the result of DNC operatives stuffing ballot boxes. While there may have been some shenanigans in a couple of key counties, I don't think Joe's success was the result of ballot box stuffing. However, I think you can make a good argument for the DNC working to "rig" elections in their favor. We saw state judges and local election boards changing voting rules even though the Constitution says such changes are the purview of state legislatures. Those rule changes moved the goalposts to get more votes for Democrats. The DNC's push for federal legislation in Congress that favors Democrats is another attempt to rig elections. What do you think?

Lastly, voter suppression in 2020? That's a DNC canard... and I'm guessing a good portion of Joe's 81 million supporters would like to have their votes back...

Terence Y

Hi Ray, nice to see you back. The election was stolen using various methods, and some methods are comparable to stuffing the ballot box. Remember, you only need to to steal votes in swing states, which we can see did occur. Evidence of these voting shenanigans was discovered during election day and more and more evidence is coming to light, although Dems and the media don’t want that publicized. I do agree that Dems are trying to rig elections at the federal level. If they’re successful, the tide will turn when the right people get back into office.

Jorg

Terence Y: How incredibly misinformed and backwards can anyone be, to swallow the big lie about election fraud depriving Trump of a presidency he has proven himself to be unqualified for? With the exception of a few Republicans charged with voting for dead family members, there is overwhelming evidence that the last election was relatively clean and free from fraud, except for the usual Republican voter suppression. On the other hand, isn’t it embarrassing enough that some 74 million voters were blind enough, and sufficiently confused to vote for Trump, even after his disastrous single term, which he didn’t even win with a majority vote? Where on flat Earth do you find evidence for a voter fraud, except that someone, somewhere heard someone say that they know someone who had seen someone somewhere pulling a box out from under a table, somewhere. Yeah, that’s evidence of Trumpian proportion, - and plenty good enough for naïve Trumpists!

Terence Y

More JUNC (Jorg’s Unsupported Nonsense Conspiracy) effect. Jorg, thanks for citing your usual flat Earth, but why do I rate only a single exclamation point? More please! BTW, still no treasonous Biden accomplishment? Let me help you out… Biden referring to President Harris during a commencement address. Biden causing folks to lose three years of wage growth due to America Last policies spurring inflation. Your turn.

Jorg

Terence: Y should I waste my valuable time trying to explain something that you wouldn’t be able to grasp anyway? I have other things to do. If you had paid attention to what is going on, and tried to educate yourself, you would have understood what a great job President Biden is doing, faced with very difficult circumstances and compact obstruction from Republicans. What a difference from what we just got rid of, - although it will take years to fix everything that Trump managed to destroy, - if ever!

Terence Y

Another JUNC (Jorg’s Usual Nitwit Carping) comment. Hey Jorg, if anything, you’re wasting everyone’s valuable time with your usual claptrap. Instead of quantity, maybe you could educate yourself and enlighten us with some quality, beginning with listing a treasonous Biden accomplishment. Maybe you can explain why the great job Biden is doing is resulting in rising crime rates, rising inflation, a record number of deaths due to COVID, and losing the entire country of Afghanistan. Yeah, Jorg, great job. Any greater and we’d all need to learn how to speak Chinese or Russian. You may want to stick to bringing up dandruff medication, as Mr. van Ulden noted. BTW, thanks for awarding me another exclamation point. More please!

Jorg

Sorry, Terence Y! You seem to be incapable of learning! You won’t even educate yourself some by watching a real news channel, like MSNBC. Let me just say, it is rather laughable that anyone would believe such a huge lie from a liar like Trump! On top of that, all the silly attempts at proving voter fraud, have been turned down, including some 50-60 lawsuits by the Trump camp, many turned down by judges he appointed, hoping they were “his”. The 2020 election has been deemed safe and valid.

However, the 2016 election is still under investigation, with strong suspicion of foreign meddling. And why wouldn’t our adversaries want Trump, instead of anybody else, especially a more seasoned politician like Ms. Clinton? Trump has shown himself to be so easy to manipulate and control, that it has been an embarrassment for the nation. Just pay him a fake compliment, and he melts like butter in your hand! His ego is so fragile that he has to brag publicly about being able to remember 5 simple words, and in the right order! And that should be our leader, and the leader of the world? How embarrassing!

And, your "jokes" are getting a bit tired.

Terence Y

Blah, blah, blah, another JUNC (Jorg’s Usually Nothing Current) comment. A real news channel like MSNBC? You mean the MSNBC that has fewer viewers than the Hallmark Channel? I guess viewers prefer the Crown network more than they prefer the Clown network. BTW, thanks for giving me 6 more exclamation points - more please! I’m a bit disappointed you didn’t give me one of your flat Earth’s. Maybe next time.

Speaking of jokes, I notice you continue to live in the past and still can’t name a treasonous Biden accomplishment in the present. How embarrassing! For this thread, three mighty swings and not even a whiff of contact - you’re out! (Baseball reference, in case you’re at sea.)

Ray Fowler

Hi, Terence...

O-fer... another baseball reference... fits Joe's administration. .

Dirk van Ulden

Mike - only in a real democracy would the voters choose an incompetent and senile has-been like Biden. Funny that he would mention the back slide. Just think of Presidents like Washington, the Roosevelts, Jefferson and Reagan. Biden and his side kick cannot even begin to hold a candle to those but that is the result of a back sliding democracy.

Jorg

Dirk: My goodness, on which planet were you hiding while Trump, by far the worst and most incompetent occupant of the WH ever, was fumbling around with his criminal cohorts, lying his head off while feeding his own ego and pocket book, making himself a laughingstock around the world and an embarrassment here at home? Lying Trump was fortunate enough to inherit a functional country from President Obama, who rescued it from his incompetent Republican predecessor, only to leave a mess for President Biden to clean up. When do we learn that Republican administrations mess things up, leaving it to the next Democratic president to put us back on the right course again? Will we ever learn?

Dirk van Ulden

Sorry I woke you up, Jorg. I think I was referring to Biden/Harris. Not sure where our former President fits in this context.

Jorg

And who do you think Mr. Caggiano has in mind, when he writes about threats to the democracy? President Biden, who was elected democratically, or Trump, who was not?

But, of course, you wouldn’t waste any opportunity to gleefully mock a president who stands head and shoulders over the last two Republican WH occupants we got stuck with, thanks to our lack of a clean and democratic voting system, - like the writer tries to make you understand.

Ray Fowler

Hi, Dirk

I've been under the weather, but thought I'd join today's conversation.

The real threat to our democracy is the leftist drive to install one-party rule. I guess they forgot DNC challenges to the 2000 election as well as their droning mantra that the winner of the 2016 election was not a legitimate president. The left wants to toss out Electoral College results when those results don't align with their expectations... and that's not the only provision in the Constitution they want expunged.

I just wish there was an expiration date on the progressives' hackneyed ackamarackus they try to pass off as political rhetoric.

Dirk van Ulden

We can easily toy with Jorg. Now he is bringing up dandruff medication (Head and Shoulders?) to confuse us even further with his diatribe.

Jorg

And from where did you get such an incredibly intelligent comment, Dirk?

But, please, don't make me guess!

Jorg

Ray: Don’t forget that this outdated Electoral College nonsense gave us both Bush jr. and Trump, with disastrous results from two that incompetent and uneducated. So, what’s the point with EC, besides giving the smaller states even more power than they already have, with the same number of senators as the largest states, 2, while House reps are elected according to the population? The main reason Republicans are fighting abolishment of the EC, is of course that they would never get their candidate selected for the WH, - despite the country being better off with a Democrat, as we have seen now for at least the last 20 years or so.

Ray Fowler

In the comments section following your Nov. 23 LTE, I wrote, "... there is no denying that a fear and/or hatred of all things Trump is disturbing some lefties to the point that their fear and hatred are affecting cognition and emotional well being. That's actually sad." Nothing has changed.

Jorg

Ray: What do you mean by “DNC challenges to the 2000 election”? If anything, Al Gore conceded too early in a very controversial election, which the SCOTUS decided, a move that Sandra Day O’Connor later was honest enough to admit was a mistake on her part.

And, as you should know, the 2016 election is still under investigation, after strong indication of foreign meddling.

Ray Fowler

See Dec 16, 5;37 pm comment...

Jorg

Ray: How in the world does that comment relate to the 2000 election? Please explain, - or are you just tossing out a joke?

Ray Fowler

I'm sorry Jorg... I have decided to avoid those extremely left leaning DJ readers who are so overcome by their fear/hatred of conservative ideology that their cognition and emotional well being have been adversely affected. You are one of those leftist DJ readers.

I have posted my decision three or four times over the past week or so to avoid mean-spirited progressive and leftist DJ readers. I guess you missed those postings.

I enjoy active debate over a variety of issues, and I respect points of view that differ from my own. That type of exchange does not happen with you or persons of your ilk. Good-bye.

Jorg

Ray: If you still haven’t grasped why the steadily increasing majority of us who care for this country, simply despise Trump and his blind followers and all he and they stand for, I can’t help you, except encourage you to stay put, pay attention, and see what’s coming! And, I take your “Good-bye” as a promise not to side-track and throw confusion into my LTE’s and comments anymore. For that I thank you in advance, - and hope you stick to it.

Ray Fowler

Jorg... earlier in the discussion following Mike's LTE, I wrote to Dirk, "I just wish there was an expiration date on the progressives' hackneyed ackamarackus they try to pass off as political rhetoric." Unless I can find a genie in a magic lamp, looks like my wish will remain unfulfilled.

Jorg... comments I make following your LTEs and letters submitted by your pals are often addressed to another reader... not you. Here's a reminder... if you put more diatribes in the paper, our First Amendment allows anyone to respond. Why am I not surprised you are trying to discourage comments? You have no problem censoring points of view that challenge your positions... par for the course... BTW... that a golf reference.

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