Editor,

In response to Mark Kravivica’s letter (“Voting GOP,” Monday, Aug 1, 2022), I would just like to say that America might not be a democracy, but we’re not in a republic either. We live in a democratic republic.

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Jorg

Can we imagine a more horrible example of pure evil, than Alex Jones claiming that the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre of children was a hoax, and nothing but a set-up? Any doubt that he, as well as his followers, are Republicans, not Democrats?

Ray Fowler

Hi, Jorg

Alex Jones... that's a stretch. He does not represent conservative philosophy. I guess you're reacting to my statement that more degrading rhetoric comes from the left. It does.

I wrote an op-ed piece and it appears in today's DJ. I would invite you to wander over and take a look. Tyler's LTE actually helps prove my point in the op-ed piece.

While I stand by my statement... I also said there are rabid partisans on both sides. Let's just ignore them. Let's put the leftist progressives and hard core Trump supporters in the same room and let them argue until the Trumpers are blue in the face and the progressives are red faced. Then, the rest of us can get down to working on our nation's problems.

Alex Jones' conspiracy theories should be relegated to the round file... along with extreme leftists who like to compare conservatives to Nazis. Both ridiculous.

Jorg

Ray: Who said that Alex Jones preaches a “conservative philosophy”, whatever that means? I think we can safely assume he is a “Republican”, whatever that means, but certainly not a Democrat. No matter how you’d classify him, if he isn’t the epitome of “evil”, I don’t know what else it would take to be classified as such.

And, yes, I read about your road trip, where you set a lot of good examples of good citizenry, which many do without others finding out about it.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg

I'm gonna say you missed the point(s). Yes, we can assume Alex Jones is a Republican. However, he does not speak for or represent the RNC or a majority of Republicans.

Members of the mainstream media, the entertainment industry, and academia are overwhelmingly Democrats. Do people like Keith Olbermann, actors advocating for the death of a sitting president, and woke professors canceling colleagues represent the DNC or a majority of Democrats? Of course not. In my view, the extreme left and extreme right are impediments to true inclusiveness and unity.

You wanna say Alex Jones is a Republican and evil? OK. However, suggesting that Republicans as a group are evil falls as flat as a pannekake.

With respect to my road trip... based on my experience living in a very Blue State as well as what I read regularly in these pages and comparing that experience with my travels cross country several times... "good citizenry" a lot more common in Red States... and it is OK to acknowledge it. I encountered several more folks on my trip that I did not mention in my op-ed piece. I kept waiting for one... just one... to carp about "those darned liberals!" It never happened. However, a good number of folks in Blue States seem to have no problem lambasting persons with other viewpoints.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Tyler

Yes, we live in a democratic republic. That's why I kept wondering why our president kept beating the "systemic racism" drum when a vast majority of Americans... all Americans want a secure border. They also want some form of voter ID. Yet, no movement in those areas.

I have grown weary asking Democrats why they are not moving to resolve problems like gun violence, joblessness, poor schools, screeching poverty, and a general feeling of despair in our nation's largest cities that have been controlled by Democrats for decades. It's not a lack of funding, and it's not "evil" Republicans standing in the way. So, now my question is how can "we" work to alleviate these problems?

Jorg

Tyler Fuller-Battles: The only thing we can take seriously from the LTE author you refer to, is his statement about incompetent Republicans. On that, we can all agree, of course. For the rest, keep in mind that this writer is one among several from the “Right” who believe that the Electoral College “protects” the nation against California and New York State, not understanding that exactly because of the EC, Republican voters are rejected in these states, in addition to other states with Democratic majority, thereby giving all EC votes to the Democratic party. What a winning strategy! And why isn’t that obvious, even for the most “right-winged” of them?

Dirk van Ulden

Jorg - you finally exposed yourself. You desire a one-party government. Yes, let's replicate the sorry state of California and of course those countries with similar political systems, as in China and North Korea. And while we are at it, let's put all of the competent Democrats on a pedestal such as AOC and Sanders. That would really enhance our political future. But when the feces hit the fan, you may have Plan B and be able to reclaim your Norwegian citizenship, if they really want you to come back.

Jorg

Dirk: Is it really so hard to understand, that I favor free and fair elections, where the one with the most votes becomes President? Did you understand my recent LTE where I outlined all the advantages, compared to what the outdated Electoral College have resulted in, under the two recent Republican presidents.

Besides having a hard time understanding even such a simple concept, you again jump to assumptions on something you know absolutely nothing about, nor have any business passing judgement on, like my citizenship(s) and my standing in Norway. Are you using your own situation as a guide, or what?

Ray Fowler

Hi, Jorg

Dirk can take care of himself, but I would like to focus on positions not personalities.

I have presented to you more than once the benefits to having an EC. They are summarized in another post in this thread. You have not responded.

At your request, I presented a list of accomplishments of the two administrations you criticize most often. Your response? A Democratic Party president would have done the same things. Not true. GW Bush's initiative to combat AIDS, particularly in developing countries, affected millions of lives. Barack Obama made cuts to that program. Donald Trump restored energy independence in America, and we can see what Joe Biden has done to that policy.

Republicans control 23 states and Democrats control 15 (that includes CA and NY). The other states are in play. A smart and strategic campaign in 2024 could ensure a popular vote win and an EC win for Democrats. That didn't happen in 2016, and that's the real reason Hillary did not win.

However, I have an idea. Let's just set aside all discussion about elections for the next 97 days. Then, after November 8, let's see where most Americans are casting their votes. Deal?

Terence Y

Blah, blah, blah, Jorg bellyaching about the EC, again… Hey Jorg, speaking of such a simple concept, why are you having such a hard time understanding the EC and our American system of government?

Dirk van Ulden

Jorg - I am by now just messing with you. Your comment about Alex Jones in the context of all Republicans is so outrageous that, I am sorry, I can't take you serious anymore. Have a happy blog.

Ray Fowler

Hello, Jorg

I don't know of any conservatives who support the EC strictly for the purpose of protecting our nation from California.

The EC does ensure that votes in all states remain relevant... and... it can sustain the viability of a two-party system. While I'm sure you would agree that more candidate choices could be a good thing for voters, a truly competitive third party candidate is probably not likely in the foreseeable future.

Dirk makes a good point. If you had your wish and the EC was set aside, that arrangement could lead to single party rule. And as Dirk points out, veto proof single party control in California has not really been successful. However, if you get your wish and the EC is set aside, we could see the rise of competing political factions... for example... Democratic Party progressives squaring off against Democratic Party moderates and Republicans... chief executives in the future would then be elected with a plurality vote. That means more people would have voted for someone other than the winner. Here's one problem... plurality presidents would not have a mandate to push their programs through Congress. Think of the chaos and uncertainty that situation could create. Bill Clinton won with a plurality... he did not have a majority of Americans supporting him at the ballot box. So, how was his election certified even though a majority of voters cast their ballots for someone other than Bill? The EC. Neither single party rule nor successive chief executives elected with a plurality would be a good thing for America.

Dirk van Ulden

Dear Tyler - nothing but deflection and unsubstantiated generalization from you. You are not helping. You may not recall this, but at one time we actually had a President with a sign on his desk: the Buck Stops Here. Now there is no stopping and no accountability. That is evil.

Terence Y

Tyler, I’ll simply contrast your list of evils with a few Dem party highlights: the crimes, including rape (such as to your 10-year-old victim), of those not in the country legally due to an unenforced border; the rising crime rates due to not just aliens from the south, but from legal felons being released back into the wild; of criminals being released with little, or no bail, to continue their crime spree; the rising inflation rate due to America Last policies. Need I go on? BTW, thanks for recognizing our system of government. Many rabid lefties don’t want to, or maybe they just skipped too many American Government classes and don’t know better, or maybe they’re just using it as a distraction, to avoid living, and facing, the present.

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