A Simple Question...

[GHafez7]

We are supposedly fighting islamic extremists instead of mainstream muslims in this war on terror. My question is...why has the far left wing of the political spectrum prevented us from fighting these extremists with extreme tactics? That would seem the obvious way to fight a war against extremists...

[Diamond Dog]

We are supposedly fighting islamic extremists instead of mainstream muslims in this war on terror. My question is...why has the far left wing of the political spectrum prevented us from fighting these extremists with extreme tactics? That would seem the obvious way to fight a war against extremists...

Do you think we should try genocide on islam?

[GHafez7]

Do you think we should try genocide on islam?

Oh...you're a clever one Diamond Dog...I said nothing about genocide now did I? I said its time we use the tactics on them that they are using on us. We need to terrorize the terrorists as it were. Oh...that doesn't fit into your PC vision of the world does it?

[Diamond Dog]

Oh...you're a clever one Diamond Dog...I said nothing about genocide now did I? I said its time we use the tactics on them that they are using on us. We need to terrorize the terrorists as it were. Oh...that doesn't fit into your PC vision of the world does it?

If it's kill or be killed, isn't an appropriate question? I, for one, am willing to put up with the current state of things as it relates to the so called terrorists. But I'm asking you, shall we eliminate them all before they might eliminateus?

[GHafez7]

If it's kill or be killed, isn't an appropriate question? I, for one, am willing to put up with the current state of things as it relates to the so called terrorists. But I'm asking you, shall we eliminate them all before they might eliminateus?

You can think whatever you want Diamond Dog, you and I both know that I never once mentioned genocide against muslims. But if you think that, it shows exactly the type of person you are...Let me reiterate what I said, since you keep missing it...I said we need to use the tactics against the terrorists that they use against us. Now, I am done with you.

[Diamond Dog]

You can think whatever you want Diamond Dog, you and I both know that I never once mentioned genocide against muslims. But if you think that, it shows exactly the type of person you are...Let me reiterate what I said, since you keep missing it...I said we need to use the tactics against the terrorists that they use against us. Now, I am done with you.

Fine, be that way. But listen tough guy, if you're gonna start a game, don't go running home with the ball every time someone challenges you and you get uncomfy.

[Nicola]

Yo G
What do you think of our leader, President George W. Bush signing the Military Commissions Act of 2006. This law effectively and literally suspends YOUR privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus. Is this a good way to fight terrorism?

[Roscoe_Beedle]

Yo, Nicola

You need to stop reading the protesters handbook. The new law does not get rid of YOUR right to habeus corpus. It simply does not extend this Constitutional Protection to non-citizens of the US.

Basically a "No Brainer". Our Constitution and Laws refer to US Citizens. It is not the US responsibility to extend this same protection to every member of the Human Race that lives in other Countries. How stupid that would be in fighting terrorists that live elsewhere.

And if you think this is not fair, then show me where French Law applies to me, or Russian Law, or Chinese Law. Only those that hate GW can make a case against what is very sensible and is followed by all Countries already.

[Nicola]

Yo, Nicola

You need to stop reading the protesters handbook. The new law does not get rid of YOUR right to habeus corpus. It simply does not extend this Constitutional Protection to non-citizens of the US.

Basically a "No Brainer". Our Constitution and Laws refer to US Citizens. It is not the US responsibility to extend this same protection to every member of the Human Race that lives in other Countries. How stupid that would be in fighting terrorists that live elsewhere.

And if you think this is not fair, then show me where French Law applies to me, or Russian Law, or Chinese Law. Only those that hate GW can make a case against what is very sensible and is followed by all Countries already.

So if I were a permanent resident (green card) of the US, living in the US and suspected of having terrorist leanings I could continue to depend on innocent until proven guilty?

[Roscoe_Beedle]

Let's drop the cute pretense. How do you want to handle terrorists intent on killing our troops and or our citizens?

Comes down to that. The focus is on the terrorists, not Nicola.

[Nicola]

Let's drop the cute pretense. How do you want to handle terrorists intent on killing our troops and or our citizens?

Comes down to that. The focus is on the terrorists, not Nicola.

I can't believe the arrogance.

[Roscoe_Beedle]

Did I ruffle some feathers?

Do you really think foreign terrorists should be able to use our Judicial - Court System? And file endless appeals? And have our US Citizens pay for this and their incarceration? To satisy your strange interpretation of Constitutional Rights?

Let me submit some more arrogance:

If you are not a US Citizen and live in another Country the US Constitution does not apply to you.

If you are a member of a terrorist organization and commit terrorist acts you should be either hunted down and killed or imprisoned in whatever Country you commit those acts in.

Quick question for you, Nicola: Does Habeus Corpus extend to Citizens of Russia?

[Nicola]

Did I ruffle some feathers?

Do you really think foreign terrorists should be able to use our Judicial - Court System? And file endless appeals? And have our US Citizens pay for this and their incarceration? To satisy your strange interpretation of Constitutional Rights?

Let me submit some more arrogance:

If you are not a US Citizen and live in another Country the US Constitution does not apply to you.

If you are a member of a terrorist organization and commit terrorist acts you should be either hunted down and killed or imprisoned in whatever Country you commit those acts in.

Quick question for you, Nicola: Does Habeus Corpus extend to Citizens of Russia?

I asked a question and obviously you don't know the answer, but that doesn't stop you from spouting off your rants. I asked: If I hold a green card and live in this country, and am suspected of some evil doing, can the government arrest and imprison me without cause other than suspicion? Can they take my green card? Deport me? Bring me in front of a military tribunal?
Remember what we did after Pearl Harbor to the law abiding US citizens of Japanese extraction.
We have no right to enter another country because the shelter terrorists, so what Russia does is of no interest to me. Also have you heard, Russia's communist state is dead. The McCarthy era is over. No. Habeus Corpus does't apply to anyone but people in this country. I don't know why you brought that up.

[Roscoe_Beedle]

The answer to your question is simple. No.

The Mccarthy era also exposed the Rosenbergs who sold nuclear weapon secrets to Joseph Stalin. They were put to death. Good riddance.

You seem to have a real problem with fear Nicola. Relax.

[Nicola]

The answer to your question is simple. No.

The Mccarthy era also exposed the Rosenbergs who sold nuclear weapon secrets to Joseph Stalin. They were put to death. Good riddance.

You seem to have a real problem with fear Nicola. Relax.

Thank you for your answer.
What do you say to Arab Americans who fear their rights may be revoked the way Japanese Americans were robbed of their civil liberties, not to mention their property, jobs etc.?
I'll relax when we vote Bush and his war mongering cronies out of government.

[Roscoe_Beedle]

Nicola you are either ignorant or choose to be that way.

Try this: Name ONE RIGHT that has been taken away from Arab Americans. Just ONE.

Because you hate GW does not make the sky to fall down.

[Nicola]

Nicola you are either ignorant or choose to be that way.

Try this: Name ONE RIGHT that has been taken away from Arab Americans. Just ONE.

Because you hate GW does not make the sky to fall down.

Look, GW just signed the bill. Give it a little while. Are you a republican?
Also, let's not get too personal about politics. I don't appreciate nor enjoy discussions that dissolve into petty accusations of ignorance.
Now, what about all those Japanese Americans that were interned?

[Roscoe_Beedle]

Nope. Not a Republican.

Just what I thought. You hear the shrill hysterical cry "our Rights are being taken away!!!" but when you ask which one you get silence. It's all for political posturing. Pure BS. How 60's.

What can I tell the Japanese? What happened was unfortunate - for them. However we were in a World War and losing. Lots of people suffered both death and injustice. This Country apologized, several times, both in word and monetarily. Please note: The Japanese have NEVER apologized for their attrocities most notably for the rape of Nanking, China. Notice the difference in how each Country has revisted WWII.

[Nicola]

Nope. Not a Republican.

Just what I thought. You hear the shrill hysterical cry "our Rights are being taken away!!!" but when you ask which one you get silence. It's all for political posturing. Pure BS. How 60's.

What can I tell the Japanese? What happened was unfortunate - for them. However we were in a World War and losing. Lots of people suffered both death and injustice. This Country apologized, several times, both in word and monetarily. Please note: The Japanese have NEVER apologized for their attrocities most notably for the rape of Nanking, China. Notice the difference in how each Country has revisted WWII.

You probably have never experienced a police state. We don't have a police state here because our laws to protect us from that. I don't want our individual rights threatened.
About the Japanese. Sure we appologized and why did we appologize? Because it was the wrong what we did! I don't care if Japan appologizes, I care what we do.
Can you see the parallel between the Japanese and the Arabs? Arabs feel very insecure now. They are by default more likely to be scrutinized by law enforcement than non-Arabs. It is a form of profiling that goes aginst our values. I want us to remain an open society.
Remember the past, or you are doomed to repeat it.
Have you ever considered running for politcal office? If NO, why not? Are you too old to join the fight in Iraq. If not would you join?

[Roscoe_Beedle]

It was wrong from a purely historical perspective. But at that time, as difficult as it was, we made a decision and kept our focus on the war that was visited upon us. Tough choices I am sure by a President who suddenly realized we had no defense of the West Coast.

And this crap about always bitchin about what our Country does in the negative. Did you also make a note to yourself that the US during the same period we interned the Japanese Americans defeated Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, defeated Imperial Japan, saved the free World, and started the United Nations? Or did you forget? And we also began the necessary isolation of the Communist scourge that was growing unchecked with no one Country able to resist without our help. All of this massive sustained effort has never been repaid by any of the Countries we fought for. Yet all you can discuss is this internment.

And your family came to the US from Nazi Germany. This Country gave you careful refuge - a safe place to live. Yet all you seem to choose to recall is the internment issue. This tells me a lot about you.

The profiling of Arabs, as you put it, is for good reason. Should we spend endless resources keeping close tabs on American Indians? Or perhaps Polish Americans? Get real. And once agin, what rights have they lost during all this? Since you are the spokesman for all Arabs it seems, tell me what these lost rights are...

[Nicola]

It was wrong from a purely historical perspective. But at that time, as difficult as it was, we made a decision and kept our focus on the war that was visited upon us. Tough choices I am sure by a President who suddenly realized we had no defense of the West Coast.

And this crap about always bitchin about what our Country does in the negative. Did you also make a note to yourself that the US during the same period we interned the Japanese Americans defeated Nazi Germany, fascist Italy, defeated Imperial Japan, saved the free World, and started the United Nations? Or did you forget? And we also began the necessary isolation of the Communist scourge that was growing unchecked with no one Country able to resist without our help. All of this massive sustained effort has never been repaid by any of the Countries we fought for. Yet all you can discuss is this internment.

And your family came to the US from Nazi Germany. This Country gave you careful refuge - a safe place to live. Yet all you seem to choose to recall is the internment issue. This tells me a lot about you.

The profiling of Arabs, as you put it, is for good reason. Should we spend endless resources keeping close tabs on American Indians? Or perhaps Polish Americans? Get real. And once agin, what rights have they lost during all this? Since you are the spokesman for all Arabs it seems, tell me what these lost rights are...

I'm sorry to say your cup runneth over. Do you argue about everything this way? Do you know so much more than me? We should all just ask you for answers. you don't debate, you talk down. Your tone is agressive, argumentive and not very pleasant. Oh by the way, my family did not come from Nazi Germany. We came from a free, and democratic Germany.
Now tell me some more about me.

[Roscoe_Beedle]

If you took offense, none was meant. I have to remind myself sometimes that I am in Northern California. Laid back, surf's up. I'm a Ninth Ward kid, Chicago. Rough. Bad. Mean. But I was able to elevate myself out of that, moved out here, brought my family out here. But those mean streets leave a mark. I do have to remind myself - "chill out dude".
I actually worked for the State department for several years doing what is called Deciphering. Take raw information, some classified, and make it understandable for those making decisions or for release. Did this for Station Chiefs and Embassy. Lived in several countries as a result. My forte, if you will, was a no BS approach. What is - is. You asked if I'm a republican, I am not. Politics makes much of what isn't. I see things as they are and make decisions thusly.

So my friend Nicola no offense offered. But my thesis stands singularly as it is.

[Nicola]

If you took offense, none was meant. I have to remind myself sometimes that I am in Northern California. Laid back, surf's up. I'm a Ninth Ward kid, Chicago. Rough. Bad. Mean. But I was able to elevate myself out of that, moved out here, brought my family out here. But those mean streets leave a mark. I do have to remind myself - "chill out dude".
I actually worked for the State department for several years doing what is called Deciphering. Take raw information, some classified, and make it understandable for those making decisions or for release. Did this for Station Chiefs and Embassy. Lived in several countries as a result. My forte, if you will, was a no BS approach. What is - is. You asked if I'm a republican, I am not. Politics makes much of what isn't. I see things as they are and make decisions thusly.

So my friend Nicola no offense offered. But my thesis stands singularly as it is.

Thank you Roscoe, that was kind of you to shift gears. I now know I'm talking to a Mensch. Congrats to your emergence from the mean streets. I also lifted myself from a decending road to failure went to school under the GI Bill and became a Graphic Designer. This truly is the country of opportunity. I am sensitive to abuse of power in government as I come from a country that twice took on the world.

[GHafez7]

Thank you Roscoe, that was kind of you to shift gears. I now know I'm talking to a Mensch. Congrats to your emergence from the mean streets. I also lifted myself from a decending road to failure went to school under the GI Bill and became a Graphic Designer. This truly is the country of opportunity. I am sensitive to abuse of power in government as I come from a country that twice took on the world.

Then you should also be sensitive to the fact that radical islamofascists want to take over the world and turn every country into an islamic theocracy and that the ONLY way to stop them is to devastate them.

[Nicola]

Then you should also be sensitive to the fact that radical islamofascists want to take over the world and turn every country into an islamic theocracy and that the ONLY way to stop them is to devastate them.
"radical islamofascists" You can't get enough of that phrase. It sounds a bit redundant to include "radical". I'd say islamofacists would be sufficient. If we don't cave in and buy into fear driven policies we will defeat any enemy. Terrorism is not a military power. It's like a serial killer on the loose. You surgically remove them not with the Marines but with good detective work, a small band of operatives working behind and within the terror cells. They will think they have spies and traitors in their own camp. They will crumble. Bush's conventional war only strengthens them. I agree with you. We must destroy them. I only disagree in the methodology

[GHafez7]

"radical islamofascists" You can't get enough of that phrase. It sounds a bit redundant to include "radical". I'd say islamofacists would be sufficient. If we don't cave in and buy into fear driven policies we will defeat any enemy. Terrorism is not a military power. It's like a serial killer on the loose. You surgically remove them not with the Marines but with good detective work, a small band of operatives working behind and within the terror cells. They will think they have spies and traitors in their own camp. They will crumble. Bush's conventional war only strengthens them. I agree with you. We must destroy them. I only disagree in the methodology

"Giving into fear" as you so ignorantly call it is not that at all. Its called being aware of what's going on in the world. You've heard it from the Horse's mouth, Bin Laden and other RADICAL ISLAMOFASCISTS are intent on creating an islamic theocracy in every country. The only methodology that these people understand is the same that they use on us. The only problem that the Bush Administration did was assuming they would be fighting a western enemy instead of one from the middle east.

[Nicola]

"Giving into fear" as you so ignorantly call it is not that at all. Its called being aware of what's going on in the world. You've heard it from the Horse's mouth, Bin Laden and other RADICAL ISLAMOFASCISTS are intent on creating an islamic theocracy in every country. The only methodology that these people understand is the same that they use on us. The only problem that the Bush Administration did was assuming they would be fighting a western enemy instead of one from the middle east.
First of all let me comment on your unfriendly attitude. You may want to refrain from personal attacks such as: "as you so ignorantly call it . . ." You'll not win many to support your position. Try not to sound as single minded as the enemy. Also, you didn't address anything I wrote. Was there nothing of value in my words for you to comment on?

[Marko]

"Giving into fear" as you so ignorantly call it is not that at all. Its called being aware of what's going on in the world. You've heard it from the Horse's mouth, Bin Laden and other RADICAL ISLAMOFASCISTS are intent on creating an islamic theocracy in every country. The only methodology that these people understand is the same that they use on us. The only problem that the Bush Administration did was assuming they would be fighting a western enemy instead of one from the middle east.

Sounds like Michael Savage has his hooks in you and Roscoe pretty deep

[GHafez7]

Sounds like Michael Savage has his hooks in you and Roscoe pretty deep

Sounds like "you can't handle the truth." I'm FROM a muslim country. I know what these people are capable of. They are not the politically correct version that you and people like you think they are.

[Nicola]

I agree that we should kill the terrorists that attacked us. I will shoot them myself. But there are many Muslims in the world. Let's not call them Muslim terrorists. Let's just call them terrorists. No normal Muslim would agree that these terrorists are truly Muslim. Every thing they stand for is not condoned by the Muslim faith. They are killers that's all. Who cares what clothes they wear or language they speak, they're killers and cowards. In the 70's we had the Bader-Meinhof gang in Germany. They were terrorists, and they were just as good/bad as any. Didn't have much to do with Germany or any particular religion. I think if you are a killer of innocent people you're not a Christian, Muslim or any other denomination. I agree with you about the murderers, they should be brought to justice. They should be surgically extracted from the rest of us, without putting an entire population into harms way. Unless you were on Mars, you may have heard the voice of the American people who overwhelmingly voted against Bush and his war-mongering administration.

[Roscoe_Beedle]

No,these are MUSLIM extremist/terrorists. When we fought the Japanese we fought JAPS. When we faught the Nazis we fought GERMANS. Get over it. This problem could be resolved quickly if the "innocent" Muslims of this world would stand up to these extremists. But they won't. So we have to.

The Dems will soon find out the truth. This fantasy of trials. Witness Sadaam's trial. 4 Jurists murdered, Family members murdered, hidden juries, death threats to everyone involved. Now does anyone think Mr. Nicola will serve on a trial of Al-Qaeda> And why should he? When we have the fire power to destroy these groups. Use it.

[GHafez7]

No,these are MUSLIM extremist/terrorists. When we fought the Japanese we fought JAPS. When we faught the Nazis we fought GERMANS. Get over it. This problem could be resolved quickly if the "innocent" Muslims of this world would stand up to these extremists. But they won't. So we have to.

The Dems will soon find out the truth. This fantasy of trials. Witness Sadaam's trial. 4 Jurists murdered, Family members murdered, hidden juries, death threats to everyone involved. Now does anyone think Mr. Nicola will serve on a trial of Al-Qaeda> And why should he? When we have the fire power to destroy these groups. Use it.

A lot of it is out of our hands Roscoe, we are weakened by the Geneva accords. If you think about it, the whole idea of the accords is preposterous. Instead of fighting a quick and furious war, we end up fighting a long drawn out war. If we didn't have these accords, we could bomb the enemy into submission. The perfect example is WWII. If we had had the Geneva accords before that war, it would have lasted longer because we would have been prevented from launching the massive bombing campaigns we launched, such as Dresden. Unfortunately, with the Geneva accords, I think wars like Vietnam are going to be the rule rather than the exception. What we needed to do in the first place was launch a massive massive air campaign on Iraq, and Afghanistan for that matter. Innocent people would have died, and that's unfortunate, but what's more unfortunate is being caught in a long drawn out guerilla battle like we have now. One in which, if our soldiers defend themselves, they are under the threat of prosecution by traitors to this country. I say, the best way to fight the war is to drop out of the Geneva accords and fight the terrorists in the manner that they are fighting us. I warn the "feel gooders" of California who read this next statement, its going to be shocking to you but unfortunately its true. If we launch a massive campaign against the people of Iraq, they would most likely turn against the terrorists who are hiding among them and using them as human shields. People in this country need to wake BIG TIME and realize that George Bush is not the enemy, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, the President of Iran, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, Bashir Asad, people like them are the enemy.

[2smart4u]

George Bush IS the enemy.

[GHafez7]

George Bush IS the enemy.

George Bush is not the enemy...again...you are mixing up your OPINIONS with facts. The FACT is that your buddied Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, etc...are the enemies. By your statement above you have just invalidated any statement you would like be taken seriously by anyone with any level of intelligence on these boards. Again though...I thank you for your idolization...don't worry...you'll come up to my intellectual capacity when you are through with college.

[2smart4u]

George Bush is a liar, killer, and terrorist. He is the biggest threat to the US. He is the biggest threat to our freedom. He is the biggest threat to our safety. You are a fool.

Why are you so afraid of me and other liberals?

Maybe when you graduate from 1st grade, you'll begin to see the light.

[GHafez7]

George Bush is a liar, killer, and terrorist. He is the biggest threat to the US. He is the biggest threat to our freedom. He is the biggest threat to our safety. You are a fool.

Why are you so afraid of me and other liberals?

Maybe when you graduate from 1st grade, you'll begin to see the light.

Prove that George Bush lied, who did he kill, and prove that he's a terrorist. Basically, it seems like you support the terrorists more than you support our president. Am I right? I want you to answer this one...and honestly. Come on...lets hear it? Don't quote the WMD stuff...you know very well if you base a decision on bad information its not a lie. And if you think so you invalidate anything you've ever said, or will say. Try to come up with something that your College Professors don't spoon feed you...better yet...come back after you have a college education and have lived a little. Only a highschooler would talk with such level of "intelligence" found in your posts.

[2smart4u]

Prove that George Bush lied, who did he kill, and prove that he's a terrorist. Basically, it seems like you support the terrorists more than you support our president. Am I right? I want you to answer this one...and honestly. Come on...lets hear it? Don't quote the WMD stuff...you know very well if you base a decision on bad information its not a lie. And if you think so you invalidate anything you've ever said, or will say. Try to come up with something that your College Professors don't spoon feed you...better yet...come back after you have a college education and have lived a little. Only a highschooler would talk with such level of "intelligence" found in your posts.

PROVE that George Bush lied? You're kidding, right? He lies almost every time he opens his mouth. His lies are well-documented. Do you know how to read a newspaper or use a search engine? Who did he kill? Oh, two or three thousand American troops (so far), and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis (military and civilian). Prove he's a terrorist? Again, newspapers and the internet have all the proof you need. If you support your president (he's not my president!), YOU support terrorists! I do not support Bush, and no sane person would. Only a pre-schooler would talk with the total lack of intelligence contained in your posts. You must really hate America.