Coroners legal right to retain body parts issue

[As If]

Hum!, The more I read this story the more I say to myself "INTERESTING" Let me see, We have control of our bodies when we are alive. If anyone touches our arm or hand or puts arm around our shoulder we can claim harassement but if we die and get an autopsy, strangers can take out Organ's without our permission and without telling our next of kin? It is their right they say? And what about our right our choice? Whaat is going on here?
At what point does a person lose the right to ethical treatment?

[Michael Stogner]

We..San Mateo County are only aware of this activity because the Cororner got caught.

We have no idea what other actions he has taken in the past....

There is no oversight of his office.

He is an elected official.

[Lil Ol' Me]

Fact: The law specifically states the coroner may do so to determine cause of death. Law does not ask to coroner to gain permission for autopsy, nor permission to take specimens. Coroner acted within the scope of the law, thus nothing un-ethical about it.

Review the Government Code...you might understand the situation more.

[Michael Stogner]

Fact: The law specifically states the coroner may do so to determine cause of death. Law does not ask to coroner to gain permission for autopsy, nor permission to take specimens. Coroner acted within the scope of the law, thus nothing un-ethical about it.

Review the Government Code...you might understand the situation more.

What if something is taken/removed not for the purpose to determine the cause of death?

What then?

How would anybody in San Mateo County know?

Also this is a trust issue with one individual Robert Forcault the Cororner, not the other employees.

example:
Robert Forcault signed a death certificate 3200241003576 dated 10/11/02.
Cause...Homicide...At the hands of another.

Robert Forcault signed a death certificate 3200243007441 dated 10/11/02.
Cause...Pending Investigation

Both of these deaths were caused by the exact same reason. They were passengers in a van that crashed 200 feet below a cliff.

How did Robert Forcault determine (At the hands of another) in 5 days for one and not the other.

[As If]

Fact: The law specifically states the coroner may do so to determine cause of death. Law does not ask to coroner to gain permission for autopsy, nor permission to take specimens. Coroner acted within the scope of the law, thus nothing un-ethical about it.

Review the Government Code...you might understand the situation more.

What gov. code did you read? and there are Two, and they both say. They need to get CONSENT. Sent the gov. code you read. codes I read are gov.code 27491.45 and 27491.4 . Now according to this woman they didn't need any more investigation.

[Lil Ol' Me]

Apparently you have no idea how the Coroner's Office works...Mr. Foucrault has almost NO interactions with the bodies. So, if what occurs at autopsy is questioned and is a "trust issue", it is not an issue with Foucrault, it is an issue with the employees and contract Pathologists who perform them.

As for the GC, please read: 27491.4. (a) For purposes of inquiry the coroner shall, within 24hours or as soon as feasible thereafter, where the suspected cause of death is sudden infant death syndrome and, in all other cases,the
coroner may, in his or her discretion, take possession of the body,
which shall include the authority to exhume the body, order it
removed to a convenient place, and make or cause to be made a
postmortem examination or autopsy thereon, and make or cause to be
made an analysis of the stomach, stomach contents, blood, organs,
fluids, or tissues of the body.

And, yes according to Picon they didn't need any further investigation. I forgot...she has a medical degree and can make that decision.

Signing a death certificate as pending is not a big conspiracy...it happens for a varitey of reason. Go back and tell me what the amendment says...

[Michael Stogner]

The pending one was fine...it was the other one from the same cause:::
"At The Hands of Another" that I was interested in.

And, yes according to Picon they didn't need any further investigation.
I forgot...she has a medical degree and can make that decision.

No she is just a mother who found out that her son's heart was removed.
That's all she is....a MOTHER.

Apparently you have no idea how the Coroner's Office works...Mr. Foucrault has almost NO interactions with the bodies. So, if what occurs at autopsy is questioned and is a "trust issue", it is not an issue with Foucrault, it is an issue with the employees and contract Pathologists who perform them.

As for the GC, please read: 27491.4. (a) For purposes of inquiry the coroner shall, within 24hours or as soon as feasible thereafter, where the suspected cause of death is sudden infant death syndrome and, in all other cases,the
coroner may, in his or her discretion, take possession of the body,
which shall include the authority to exhume the body, order it
removed to a convenient place, and make or cause to be made a
postmortem examination or autopsy thereon, and make or cause to be
made an analysis of the stomach, stomach contents, blood, organs,
fluids, or tissues of the body.

And, yes according to Picon they didn't need any further investigation. I forgot...she has a medical degree and can make that decision.

Signing a death certificate as pending is not a big conspiracy...it happens for a varitey of reason. Go back and tell me what the amendment says...

[Lil Ol' Me]

Describes how the injures resulting in death occurred...it simply means another persons actions caused the death. Why so interesting? If someone intentionally drives a car over a cliff and causes another persons death that is a homicide. A coroner does not and is not required to utilize "intent" when determining manner of death. The coroner does not have the same burden of proof to manner a death a homicide as say, a prosecutor does to take a case to trial and get a conviction.

She is a mom who lost her son - horrible. Yeah, his heart was removed. What do you think occurs at autopsy? What do you think occurs when one is embalmed? It's the sad, harsh reality of death.

Please, before you go down your path of conspiracy theories and scrutiny, do a little reading on the coroner's office or medical examiners and understand how and why they work at a level more tham just amatuer, backyyard, junior CSI member.

[Michael Stogner]

I am not the guy who took his pants down in the office workplace.
I do know what level our elected Cororner Robert Forcault functions from.
So do many San Mateo County residents.


Describes how the injures resulting in death occurred...it simply means another persons actions caused the death. Why so interesting? If someone intentionally drives a car over a cliff and causes another persons death that is a homicide. A coroner does not and is not required to utilize "intent" when determining manner of death. The coroner does not have the same burden of proof to manner a death a homicide as say, a prosecutor does to take a case to trial and get a conviction.

She is a mom who lost her son - horrible. Yeah, his heart was removed. What do you think occurs at autopsy? What do you think occurs when one is embalmed? It's the sad, harsh reality of death.

Please, before you go down your path of conspiracy theories and scrutiny, do a little reading on the coroner's office or medical examiners and understand how and why they work at a level more tham just amatuer, backyyard, junior CSI member.

[As If]

Apparently you have no idea how the Coroner's Office works...Mr. Foucrault has almost NO interactions with the bodies. So, if what occurs at autopsy is questioned and is a "trust issue", it is not an issue with Foucrault, it is an issue with the employees and contract Pathologists who perform them.

As for the GC, please read: 27491.4. (a) For purposes of inquiry the coroner shall, within 24hours or as soon as feasible thereafter, where the suspected cause of death is sudden infant death syndrome and, in all other cases,the
coroner may, in his or her discretion, take possession of the body,
which shall include the authority to exhume the body, order it
removed to a convenient place, and make or cause to be made a
postmortem examination or autopsy thereon, and make or cause to be
made an analysis of the stomach, stomach contents, blood, organs,
fluids, or tissues of the body.

And, yes according to Picon they didn't need any further investigation. I forgot...she has a medical degree and can make that decision.

Signing a death certificate as pending is not a big conspiracy...it happens for a varitey of reason. Go back and tell me what the amendment says...

Okay Lil Ol Me, lets keep reading this GC 27491.4: On the same (a) paragraph a couple of sentences down I read "the coroner shall have the right to retain only those TISSUES of the body removed at the time of the autopsy as may in his or her opinion, be necessary or advisable to the inquiry into the case or for the verification of his or her findings."
NOW the paragraph that you wrote say "analysis" of.
I don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. Tissues to me means pieces of organs..Right? I understand that Mrs. Picon was told what her son died from the next day. To me an outsider this means that there was no more to investigate. But then I don't have a medical degree and I don't know all the facts. But I believe her more then I do the coroner.

I am a mother and I can not even try to imagine what this woman is going through. The death of her child was aggravated by the coroners actions.

[As If]

Apparently you have no idea how the Coroner's Office works...Mr. Foucrault has almost NO interactions with the bodies. So, if what occurs at autopsy is questioned and is a "trust issue", it is not an issue with Foucrault, it is an issue with the employees and contract Pathologists who perform them.

As for the GC, please read: 27491.4. (a) For purposes of inquiry the coroner shall, within 24hours or as soon as feasible thereafter, where the suspected cause of death is sudden infant death syndrome and, in all other cases,the
coroner may, in his or her discretion, take possession of the body,
which shall include the authority to exhume the body, order it
removed to a convenient place, and make or cause to be made a
postmortem examination or autopsy thereon, and make or cause to be
made an analysis of the stomach, stomach contents, blood, organs,
fluids, or tissues of the body.

And, yes according to Picon they didn't need any further investigation. I forgot...she has a medical degree and can make that decision.

Signing a death certificate as pending is not a big conspiracy...it happens for a varitey of reason. Go back and tell me what the amendment says...

Okay Lil Ol Me, lets keep reading this GC 27491.4: On the same (a) paragraph a couple of sentences down I read "the coroner shall have the right to retain only those TISSUES of the body removed at the time of the autopsy as may in his or her opinion, be necessary or advisable to the inquiry into the case or for the verification of his or her findings."
NOW the paragraph that you wrote say "analysis" of.
I don't have to be a lawyer to understand this. Tissues to me means pieces of organs..Right? I understand that Mrs. Picon was told what her son died from the next day. To me an outsider this means that there was no more to investigate. But then I don't have a medical degree and I don't know all the facts. But I believe her more then I do the coroner.

I am a mother and I can not even try to imagine what this woman is going through. Not only did she lose her child, she now has the pain of knowing that she buried her child without his heart. It is wrong