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wilburt
09-27-2006, 02:49 AM
I was reading an interesting article in the September 25th print edition of the San Francisco Examiner titled, BURDEN ON EMPLOYEE PENSIONS LOOMING.

The Examiner also has an online article that specifically addresses the public employee benefits issue at:

http://www.examiner.com/a-309177~Governments_could_be_overwhelmed_by_retiree _health_care_burden.html

It is quite clear that cities, counties, school districts and other municipal entities have caved into the threats and demands of teachers and public employees who are demanding lavish pay and benefit packages.

The problem is that in the end nobody is going to win. And, the end is coming soon because, as we can now see, cities and school districts in San Mateo County are being forced to curtail services and, in some cases, engage in deficit spending in order to pay the salaries and benefits of public employees and teachers.

The money is running out as a result of, what in my opinion is, the weak investment record of PERS and the fact that there simply is not enough money to support services at the current level and pay extravagant, budget busting retirement packages to former public employees who are "retired" and no longer perform their old jobs.

The public employee unions think that in order to fund the lavish pay and retirement packages that their members are receiving, California's taxpayers will just sit by and allow the California Treasury to be used as the union's piggy bank and, when that runs out, California's taxpayers will sit by and allow their taxes to be raised to pay for these public employee's lush retirement packages while municipal and educational services are significantly reduced.

Unfortunately, for the public employee unions and their members, reality is going to set in sooner than they think. The public employee unions and their members may have nothing if municipalities and the State of California file bankruptcy to get out from under the pension obligations. Think it can't happen? Well, if the bond rating agencies downgrade the debt of the State of California and California municipal governments and agencies to "junk" it will be nearly impossible to raise money by floating bonds.

The reality of the situation is that there may be a backlash against the retirees and unions by the majority of California's taxpayers. This will result in no new taxes being passed to fund the retirement plans and legislation being set in place to protect California's taxpayers from the gross negligence and irresponsibility that has resulted in this financial disaster. No bonds and no taxes equals no money to pay unfunded pension obligations.

Municipal retirees may soon find that their retirement benefits will be cut back or curtailed to reflect benefits received by other retirees. Or, municipal entities may just file bankruptcy and leave the municipal retirees with nothing or significantly less then they thought they had coming. Airplane pilots and other people in the airline industry can relate to this scenario.

For too long, municipal governments and school districts have been forced to meet the unrealistic terms of the municipal employee and teacher's unions representing their employees. Now, the financial day of reckoning is on the horizon.

The teachers in the San Mateo Union High School District (SMUHSD) who are protesting about these necessary layoffs appear to be living in a fantasy world where money grows on trees. This is a common affliction of people who do not earn their living in the "private sector". Many of these people do not understand the process by which a dollar is created in the private sector to generate the tax revenues that support their lifestyles and generous pay/retirement packages. If they did, California's State and local governments probably wouldn't be facing the severe financial problems they are facing today.

These SMUHSD employees who are vigorously protesting these necessary layoffs should consider their position carefully because if they do force the SMUHSD to bust its budget it may not be long before the word "bankruptcy" starts being used. With real property values on the decline, it also won't be long before property owners start demanding reassessments of their property. This will reduce the amount of revenue available to the school districts.

Of course, if the SMUHSD were to consider bankruptcy, the very same people (i.e., the protesting teachers) would be down at the SMUHSD yelling and screaming about how irresponsible the SMUHSD Administration is and how could they have let the SMUHSD get in such a position. The answer to that question will be because the teachers put the SMUHSD in the position where bankruptcy became a feasible alternative.

Marko
10-04-2006, 12:47 PM
If you think good education is expensive, try bad education...

How do you feel about other unions, Wilbert? They are all bums, aren't they?

Roscoe_Beedle
10-04-2006, 03:12 PM
Wilbert is absolutely correct. Unions by themselves are not at fault, It's a combination of weak local and State Government afraid of these same unions.

Marko is of the mind set to give teachers anything they want then close your eyes. Afterall, financial irresponsibility only exists in the private sector as we all should know. A weak thinking position to be sure.

Marko
10-04-2006, 06:17 PM
RB, wow what powers you have, knowing what I think.

No, I think we should give them what they earn, and protect them from unfair policies and personal grudges...any high school districts with a severe lack of planning, foresight, and professionalism around here, ya think?

"Oh yeah, we should have seen that coming...oh well, let's fire some folks and it'll all budget out okay."

Why allow demonization of the unions if they only are playing a part of the problem?

wilburt
10-04-2006, 06:35 PM
If you think good education is expensive, try bad education...

How do you feel about other unions, Wilbert? They are all bums, aren't they?
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We are already paying for expensive teachers and high school educations for students in California's public school system and we are still getting a bad result in California. More money to the teachers does not equal a better education for our children. Public high school teachers in California are earning fat salary and benefit packages and California ranks 30th out of the 50 States in high school graduation rates. I wrote about this at:

http://www.smdailyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=96&page=2

There is no correlation between the educational achievement of high school students and the amount of the salary/benefit packages their teachers receive. If this was true, California would not be 30th out of 50 States in high school graduation rates. If this was true, students in private schools would not be doing better than students in public schools. Public high school teachers in California earn significantly higher salaries and receive rich benefit packages in comparison to private school high school teachers.

With respect to the question you posed to me about unions:

"How do you feel about other unions, Wilbert? They are all bums, aren't they?"

My reply is:

Unions can't be bums because the word "bum", as you are using the word, refers to a person (i.e., human being) who is a tramp or a vagrant and unions are not people (i.e., human beings); they are business entities.

As far as the union movement in the US is concerned; the UAW destroyed the US auto industry. That is why Toyota has a lock on the auto business in the United States, while GM and Ford are failing and Chrysler is driving Daimler's financial results into the mud:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/061003/auto_sales.html?.v=31

The US steel industry was also priced out of the market by unrealistic union demands. Now, public employee unions are going down the same road as the other unions I have mentioned. This will result in their demise as governments begin to use independent contractors to perform jobs now employed by overpriced union members.

Unions are an anachronism. Private and public sector enterprises can no longer afford to hire union workers and the high costs associated with them and their union. In other words, unions are non-competitive in a world economy.

Marketplace economics has been dismantling, and will continue to dismantle, the unions. The unions and their members can continue to yell and protest. However, within the next 20 years most unions will disappear. The few remaining unions will be marginalized to the point of being hollow shells.

Marko
10-05-2006, 01:22 PM
Thanks for the vocabulary hint, Wilburt...were your teachers Union folk?

They did a good job!

wilburt
10-05-2006, 02:06 PM
Thanks for the vocabulary hint, Wilburt...were your teachers Union folk?

They did a good job!

I don't think any of my teachers, TAs, instructors, or professors were unionized.

Roscoe_Beedle
10-05-2006, 05:10 PM
Again why should teachers be exempt from firing? Whether it be a cause of finacial mis-management or poor performance, what's the big deal? Are not teachers people? The people who were laid off by Cisco did not have a hand in the loss of market share, yet they were fired by the hundreds. Where was the protest for those jobs? That's the way it is.

And why did the teachers wait until NOW to protest their adminstration? Did they not pay attention to what was happening?

The fact remains, the very small number of teachers let go will not adversely affect the schools performance in any way shape or form. Less than one teacher per school on average. Anyone who loses a job is not a good deal. But it happens. And I cannot see what all the hoopla is all about.

My general impression of teachers is that they live in a bubble.